NOTICE TO READER THE FOLLOWING IS A ROUGH DRAFT TRANSCRIPT OF THE PROCEEDINGS AS INDICATED. THIS IS NOT A CERTIFIED VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT, NOR IS IT INTENDED TO BE. THIS IS MERELY A WRITTEN COPY OF COMMUNICATION ACCESS PROVIDED VIA CAPTIONING. IT SHOULD ONLY BE USED AS AN UNEDITED GUIDE FOR THE READER. THIS ROUGH DRAFT TRANSCRIPT MAY NOT BE REPRODUCED OR DISTRIBUTED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. **** UNCERTIFIED ROUGH DRAFT **** CANADIAN COLLEGES FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY WEBINAR MAY 13, 2021 DR. DAVID WHEELER: GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD MORNING, GOOD EVENING WHEREVER YOU ARE CANADA. MY NAME IS DAVID WHEELER AND I'M YOUR MODERATOR AND FACILITATOR FOR THIS EXCELLENT WEBINAR THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR YOU ALL. I AM A SUSTAINABLE ADVISOR TO CANADIAN COLLEGES RESILIENT RECOVERY. I'VE SPENT SOMETHING LIKE 35 YEARS IN THE FIELD OF SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT SO I CAN SAY THAT THESE WEBINARS THAT WE'RE PLANNING REALLY DO REPRESENT CUTTING EDGE KNOWLEDGE AND CUTTING EDGE INFORMATION, AND I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE WEBINAR AND WE HAVE GOT SOME AMAZING SPEAKERS. WE HAVE GOT A GREAT AUDIENCE OUT THERE. I'M SURE WE'RE IN FOR A TREAT FOR THE NEXT HOUR AND A HALF. SO CANADIAN COLLEGES FOR RESILIENT RECOVERY IS A COALITION OF LEADING EDGE COLLEGES, POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTES AND CENTRES ACROSS CANADA WHO ARE COMMITTED TO DELIVERING A RESILIENT RECOVERY FOR CANADA. THIS MEANS A LOT OF TRAINING. WE HAVE A BIT OF A TARGET OF 50,000 STUDENTS TO BE TRAINED FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS AS PART OF THE TRANSITION TO A GREENER, MORE RESILIENT ECONOMY AND WE ALSO OF COURSE HAVE A FOCUS ON APPLIED SECTION DEVELOPMENT WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES, TO OUR COLLEGES AND DO DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS WHICH ILLUSTRATE WHAT A RESILIENT RECOVERY MAY LOOK LIKE AS IT UNFOLDS IN CANADA. WE HAVE TODAY ALSO HOSTING THIS EVENT AND DESIGN OF THE EVENT SENECA COLLEGE AND, OF COURSE, SENECA COLLEGE AGAIN HAS AN AMAZING TRACK RECORD ON SUSTAINABILITY QUESTIONS AND A REAL COMMITMENT TO DELIVERING FOR STUDENTS FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES, FOR SOCIETY AT LARGE, AND THAT EXPLAINS WHY THEY'RE PART OF THIS COALITION FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT C2R2, AS WE CALL IT FOR SHORT, IS INVITED TO VISIT WWW.RESILIENTCOLLEGES.CA WHERE YOU CAN LEARN ALL ABOUT WORK OF OUR COALITION AND AMAZING COLLEGES OUT OF THAT COALITION. SO, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE PART OF A WEBINAR DESIGNED TODAY PUT THAT'S BEEN PUT TOGETHER BY SENECA COLLEGE AND IT'S NOW MY GREAT PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE KURT MULLER WHO IS GOING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF PRESIDENT DAVID AGNEW OF SENECA COLLEGE AND WELCOME YOU TO THIS WEBINAR. KURT IS THE DEAN OF THE FACULTY OF COMMUNICATION, ART AND DESIGN AT SENECA AND IT IS MY GREAT PLEASURE TO HAND OFF NOW TO KURT TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF INTRO FROM SENECA. SO OVER TO YOU KURT. KURT MULLER: WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAVID, AND WELCOME EVERYONE. I'M REALLY EXCITED TODAY TO HEAR THE INSIGHTS OF OUR ESTEEMED PANELISTS -- THIAGO CARNEIRO, JEFF MELANSON, KADON DOUGLAS AND I WANT TO THANK DAVID WHEELER FOR MODERATING THE DISCUSSION. SENECA IS DELIGHTED TO BE PART OF THE CANADIAN COLLEGES FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY COALITON FOCUSED TO CREATING SOLUTIONS LEADING TO A RESILIENT RECOVERY POST-PANDEMIC. THAT RECOVERY WILL HINGE ON BUILDING A NEW WORKFORCE THAT IS FAMILIAR WITH AND BUYS INTO SUSTAINABLE AND INCLUSIVE BUSINESS PRINCIPLES FORMED BY BEST PRACTICES IN THE INDUSTRY. WE WILL NEED TO ATTRACT YOUNG PEOPLE INTO GROWING INDUSTRIES WITH INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS. A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT SENECA IS THE FACT THAT COMMUNICATION, ARTS AND DESIGN PARTNERSHIPS WITH STRATAGEM AND AVID TECHNOLOGY RESULTING IN THE INNOVATED FILM AND TELEVISION CAREER LAUNCH MICROCREDENTIAL PROGRAM WHICH YOU WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT IN TODAY'S PACKAGE. WELCOME. ONCE AGAIN WELCOME AND THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. NOW WE'RE PLEASED TO SHARE AS WE DO BEFORE ALL COMMUNITY EVENTS AT SENECA VIRTUAL AND IN PERSON SENECA'S LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. (VIDEO BEING PLAYED). >> INDIGENOUS GREETINGS IN ANISHINAABEMOWIN, HAUDENOSAUNEE, INUIT AND CREE. WE WISH TO EXPRESS THAT WE ARE ON THE TRADITIONAL TERRITORY OF THE INDIGENOUS NATION BEING THE MISSISSAUGAS OF THE CREDIT FIRST NATION WHO HAVE ALWAYS HAD TRADITIONAL TITLE OVER THIS LAND. WE ALSO OBSERVE THE WILLIAMS TREATIES. KURT MULLER: NOW I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE SENECA STUDENT CHARLENE JOSEPH FROM THE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH DEGREE PROGRAM. CHARLENE, WHO IS FROM MOOSE CREE FIRST NATION, WILL SPEAK ABOUT HER WORK IN SUSTAINABILITY TAKING PLACE AT ODIYETO, SENECA'S INDIGENOUS CENTRE. VERY APPROPRIATE THAT WE HAVE A STUDENT HERE TODAY SPEAKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY BECAUSE THE WHOLE C2R2 INITIATIVE IS FOCUSSED ON THE FUTURE AND WHAT THE WORLD WILL BE LIKE FOR THESE STUDENTS. OVER TO YOU, CHARLENE. CHARLENE JOSEPH: HI. THANK YOU. I HAVE TO SHARE MY -- ODETYO IS THE INDIGENOUS STUDENT CENTER AT SENECA COLLEGE LOCATED AT NEWNHAM CAMPUS. IT SERVICES INDIGENOUS STUDENTS AND IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR THE SENECA COMMUNITY IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO ACCESS SERVICE THAT ARE PROVIDED SUCH AS LEARNING ABOUT INDIGENOUS CULTURE AND ATTENDING TEACHINGS. AT ODETYO SUSTAINABILITY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US. AS AN INDIGENOUS CULTURE IT IS OF VITAL IMPORTANCE TO HAVE GOOD INTERACTION WITH THE ENVIRONMENT WHICH WE CALL MOTHER EARTH. BELIEVING THAT THE NATURAL WORLD IS SACRED, WE CONSIDER OURSELVES AS AN ELEMENT OF THE NATURAL WORLD AND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE WHOLE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. AT ODIYETO WE GROW OUR OWN MEDICINE IN OUR OWN MEDICINE GARDEN. WE GROW TOBACCO, SWEET GRASS, SAGE AND CEDAR. MEDICINE GARDENS ARE SACRED AND CARRY THE TEACHINGS OF THE MEDICINE WHEEL. IN THE SPRING WE PLANT OUR MEDICINES AND IN THE LATE FALL WE HARVEST OUR MEDICINES. WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT HELP US. IN THE FIRST PICTURE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE US -- WE HAVE TO CUT THEM AND WE HANG THEM FOR A FEW DAYS TO LET THEM DRY OUT. AFTER WE DO THAT WE HAVE TO BUNCH THEM UP AGAIN AND PUT THEM INSIDE BEFORE WE CAN BE USED. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS YOU'RE SEEING THE SAGE BEING HUNG. THIS PROCESS TAKES ABOUT THREE WEEKS TO DO AND IT TAKES -- IT'S A LOT OF WORK. HERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE OUR CEDAR WHICH IS -- IN THE FIRST PICTURE YOU SEE THE CEDAR TREE AND IN THE NEXT PICTURE YOU CAN SEE WHEN WE CUT THE CEDAR OFF TO USE IN OUR MEDICINES. HERE AT SENECA WE HAVE AN ALTAR WHERE WE USE OUR FOUR MEDICINES. SO AFTER THEY'RE GROWN IN THE GARDEN WE TAKE THEM INSIDE; WE DRY THEM; WE HARVEST THEM AND THIS IS WHERE WE KEEP OUR MEDICINES FOR THE STAFF AND THE STUDENTS WHO WANT TO COME IN AND USE SMUDGING. SMUDGING IS IMPORTANT IN OUR CULTURE TO HELP CLEANSE YOUR BODY AND WE WELCOME ALL STUDENTS AND ALL STAFF OF SENECA. ALSO IN OUR GARDEN WE HAVE FLOWERS THAT WE PLANT. SHARING WITH THE DAYCARE IN THE PICTURE WE SHARE THE VALUE OF THE FLORA FROM OUR MEDICINE GARDEN THAT HELPS WITH THE BEE COLONY. WE ALSO AT OUR ODETYO WE HAVE THE FISH FARM AND WE HAVE BEE HIVES. THE NUTRIENTS FROM THE FISH FARM -- WE TAKE THE WATER AND WE PUT THEM -- WE WATER THEM WITH OUR PLANTS TO -- FOR THE PLANTS TO GET MORE NUTRIENTS, AND IN OUR BEE HIVES -- WE HAVE FOUR BEE HIVES THAT REPRESENT THE FOUR DIRECTIONS AND THE FOUR COLOURS OF MEDICINE WHEEL. THE SPECIFICS OF HAVING THE HONEY BEES ON OUR CAMPUS IS TO BRING AWARENESS TO THE IMPORTANCE OF SUPPORTING POLLINATORS. ODETYO PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, STORYTELL, SPREAD AWARENESS AND WELLNESS AND TO BUILD SPRONGER COMMUNITIES AND SUSTAINABILITY. THANK YOU. DR. DAVID WHEELER: WELL THANK YOU, CHARLENE, FOR THAT VERY INTERESTING AND INSPIRATIONAL CONTRIBUTION. AS KURT MENTIONED, THE WHOLE RESON D'ETRE OF C2R2 IS TO SUPPORT STUDENTS LIKE YOU, CHARLENE, AS PART OF THE RESILIENT RECOVERY, AND NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT TO US THAN GETTING THAT PERSPECTIVE TO INSPIRE OUR WORK. SO THANK YOU VERY SINCERELY AND DEEPLY FOR THAT REMINDER OF WHY WE'RE HERE AND WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. THANK YOU. CHARLENE JOSEPH: THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME. DR. DAVID WHEELER: GREAT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING OF YOUR WORK IN THE FUTURE, CHARLENE. CLEARLY YOU'RE GOING TO DO GREAT THINGS. SO THE TOPIC OF OUR WEBINAR TODAY, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS HOLLYWOOD NORTH 2.0: HOW DIGITAL TRANSFORMATION HAS CANADA POISED TO TAKE CENTRE STAGE AND SO, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE FILM INDUSTRY HAS LONG BEEN LOCATED IN CANADA AS A LEADING INTERNATIONAL JURISDICTION FOR HIGH QUALITY FILM MAKING BUT I THINK THE INTERESTING THING NOW, OF COURSE, WITH THE PANDEMIC AND WITH OUR RECOVERY FROM THE PANDEMIC IS THAT WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REINVENT EVERYTHING WE DO AND, OF COURSE, DURING THE PANDEMIC WE HAVE ALL SPENT FAR TOO MUCH TIME ON AMAZON AND NETFLIX ABSORBING THE PRODUCTS OF THE FILM INDUSTRY BUT, OF COURSE, THE WAY MOVIES, THE WAY CREATIVE INDUSTRIES GENERALLY ARE DEVELOPING ABSOLUTELY DOES PLAY TO THE STRENGTHS OF CANADA AND THE DIGITIZATION OF OUR ECONOMY ALONGSIDE OUR DECARBONIZATION OF THE ECONOMY IN YEARS TO COME. SO THIS REALLY IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC BECAUSE IT'S WHERE CANADA HAS A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE ALREADY, HAS A FANTASTIC TRACK RECORD AND IT'S WHERE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD THE WORLD IN TERMS OF AN INCLUSIVE AND LOWER CARBON FILM INDUSTRY AND MAKE A CONTRIBUTION THERE FOR -- TO JOBS GROWTH IN THE CREATIVE INDUSTRIES GENERALLY IN CANADA, SO IT IS AN EXCITING TOPIC, AND ONE THAT I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO LEARNING MORE ABOUT. AMAZON, I'M SURE, PARTICIPANTS AND VIEWERS ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT IT AS WELL. HOW THE SESSION WILL WORK IS THAT EVERYTHING NOW REVOLVES AROUND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF OUR PANELISTS WHO WE SHOULD INTRODUCE IN A SECOND. WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH OUR PANELISTS IN TWO WAYS. ONE IS THROUGH THE Q&A FUNCTION. SO IF AS ONE OF OUR PANELISTS IS SPEAKING, YOU HAD A QUESTION FOR THAT PANELIST, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET AROUND TO IT LATER IN THE Q&A FUNCTION ONCE THEY HAVE FINISHED SPEAKING, OR I CAN RAISE THE QUESTION IN THE PLENARY CONVERSATION THAT WE'LL HAVE WITH ALL THREE OF OUR PANELISTS ONCE ALL THREE HAVE SPOKEN. EACH OF OUR PANELISTS WILL SPEAK FOR AROUND TEN MINUTES AND WE'RE VERY MUCH ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THEIR INTERVENTIONS. WE I THINK HAVE A LIST HOPEFULLY OF ALL OF OUR PANELISTS. THERE THEY ARE. JEFF MELANSON WHO IS PARTNER WITH THE STRATAGEM GROUP. EARLIER REFERENCED AS A KEY PARTNER OF SENECA COLLEGE BY KURT MULLER. WE HAVE THIAGO CARNEIRO WHO REPRESENTS PIXOMONDO AND HE IS THE UNREAL ENGINE AND 3D GENERALIST, WHICH IS A JOB TITLE I HAVE NEVER HEARD BEFORE SO, THIAGO, WE'RE VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING MORE OF WHAT YOU DO IN THE FILM INDUSTRIES, AND THEN WE HAVE KADON DOUGLAS WHO IS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BIPOC TV AND FILM AND, AGAIN, KADON HAS A UNIQUE INSIGHT AND EXPERTISE IN THE FILM INDUSTRY WHICH WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING, BUT FIRST UP IS THIAGO CARNEIRO. AS I MENTIONED, HE IS AN EXPERIENCED 3D GENERALIST WHICH OF COURSE IS THE WAY THE WORLD IS GOING NOW WITH FILMS AND MOVIES WITH DEMONSTRATED HISTORY OF WORKING IN THE HIGHER VFX INDUSTRY AND EDUCATION INDUSTRY, AND I'M DELIGHTED NOW TO HAND THE FLOOR TO THIAGO FOR HIS REMARKS AND PRESENTATION. SO OVER TO YOU, THIAGO. THIAGO CARNEIRO: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME, DAVID. I'M VERY HONOURED TO BE SHARING THIS PANEL WITH YOU GUYS. IT IS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY. SO MY NAME IS THIAGO CARNEIRO. I'M AN UNREAL ENGINE ARTIST AT PIXOMONDO TORONTO AND I'M ALSO AN UNREAL ENGINE INSTRUCTOR AT SENECA COLLEGE. I TEACH UNREAL ENGINE WHICH IS A SOFTWARE FOR BOTH THE VFX, THE GAMING AND THE ANIMATION PROGRAM. I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN A LITTLE BIT SO I CAN SHARE WITH YOU EXACTLY AND THE REST OF THE ATTENDEES WHAT IT IS I DO. OKAY. SO YEAH. THE POINT OF MY THE CONVERSATION I WANTED TO HAVE TODAY IS TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT VIRTUAL PRODUCTION. I TOLD YOU THAT I WORK WITH A COMPANY CALLED PIXOMONDO. IT'S AN INTERNATIONAL COMPANY. WE HAVE EIGHT OFFICES AROUND THE WORLD. IN AIR CANADA WE HAVE THREE OFFICES AND THE LARGEST IS IN TORONTO. IT'S LIKE THE HUB OF ALL TECHNOLOGY, INNOVATION AND EVERYTHING THAT GETS CREATED HERE EVENTUALLY GETS ADAPTED IN OTHER FACILITIES. YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD THE SHOWS THAT WE WORK ON. WE'RE KNOWN FOR OUR WORKING IN MEN OF WAR, GAME OF THRONES, WESTWOOD, STAR TREK. A LOT OF OTHER BIG SHOWS TOO. ORIGINALLY LOOKING TO IN TECHNOLOGY WORK FLOWS AND VIRTUAL PRODUCTION WAS ONE OF THEM AND THE AREAS THAT WE ARE FOCUSING IN THIS AREA OF VIRTUAL PRODUCTION -- SORRY -- VISUAL PRODUCTION IS A HUGE INDUSTRY DISRUPTOR IS TO REALLY CHANGING HOW MOVIES ARE BEING MADE AND I'M GOING TO SHARE THIS PART WITH YOU TO YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW AND I'M GOING TO TALK TO SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF WHAT IS CHANGING IN THE INDUSTRY OF MOVIES. RIGHT. SO TRADITIONALLY WHEN PEOPLE GO AND RECORD A SHOW OR THEY GO AND DO A MOVIE, THEY DO STUFF IN LOCATION MEANING THEY NEED TO TRAVEL SOMEWHERE, AND WE ALL KNOW WITH COVID AND THE PANDEMIC, THAT'S SOMETHING RIGHT NOW THAT IS VERY HARD FOR YOU TO DO. DIFFERENT COUNTRIES HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESTRICTIONS. THERE IS RISKS INVOLVED IN DOING THAT AND THIS WAS A PERFECT TIME FOR INTRODUCING THESE KINDS OF TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CALL VIRTUAL PRODUCTION. WE -- IT'S VERY BROAD. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TODAY TO EXPLAIN ALL THE ASPECTS OF IT SO I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON A FEW OF THEM BUT IT'S WAY MORE COMPLETE THAN THIS. SO ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF VIRTUAL PRODUCTION IS SOMETHING WE CALL VIRTUOUS COGGING AND HERE'S A VIDEO SHOWING HOW THAT'S DONE. ESSENTIALLY WE CREATE THE VISTOE WORDS OF THE LOCATION AND THAT'S THE PRODUCTION IS GOING TO BE FILMED. WE'RE USING 3D SCAN AND SATELLITE DATA AND THE KIND OF INFORMATION. WE CREATE A 3D MODEL, A 3D MASH -- A 3D MASK OF THE LOCATION WHERE THE DIRECTOR WANTS TO SHOW WHAT THE FILM -- A SPECIFIC SCENE AND ALL THE -- THIS COUNTING THAT HAD BEEN DONE AS A TEAM WALKING INTO THIS PLACE, GOING AROUND, TAKING PHOTOS IS ALL DONE VIRTUALLY SO PEOPLE CAN DO THAT FROM THE SAFETY OF THEIR OWN HOMES AND HERE'S A VIDEO SHOWING SOME OF THAT PROCESS USING DRONES, SCANNING THE LOCATION AND THIS SCAN GETS OF THE AVERAGE SHAPE OF THE PLACE, AND THEN WE VIRTUAL REALITY -- AS A TECHNOLOGIST WE CAN JUST GO USING ENGINES, THERE ARE CREATIVE MOVES -- GAME ENGINES THAT WE USE IN ALL IN MOVIES. WE CAN PLAY WITH THAT AND CHANGE THE TIME OF DAY. PLACE THE CAMERA. SAY I WANT TO HAVE A SCENE; A SPECIFIC MOVE HAPPENS IN THIS AREA. THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT COMPARED TO ACTUALLY TRAVELLING WITH A PLANE; GOING TO THAT LOCATION IS WAY LESS IMPACTFUL AND ACTUALLY IT GIVES MORE FREEDOM TO THE DIRECTOR TO CHANGE THE STUFF ON THE FLY TOO. IT IS EASY TO COLLABORATE WITH PEOPLE THAT -- FOR EXAMPLE, I CAN COLLABORATE WITH THE DIRECTOR THAT IS IN LOS ANGELOS RIGHT NOW AND WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO BE IN THE SAME ROOMS. IT'S PRETTY INCREDIBLE. IN THE FIELD OF VIRTUAL PRODUCTION, PIXOMONDO IS CONSIDERED THE, THE, LEADING -- ONE OF OTHER LEADERS IN ONLY CANADA AROUND THE WORLD. LET ME SHOW YOU THIS THING HERE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO FOR STAR TREK. JUST SHOW WHAT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE ENGINE IS. LAST YEAR WE'RE BUILDING CANADA THE FIRST AND THE LARGEST STAGE OF THE WORLD FOR VIRTUAL PRODUCTION, AND IT'S ALREADY BOOKED WAY IN ADVANCE FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS EVEN BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION -- VERY HIGH IN DEMAND. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE STRONGLY BELIEVE CANADA IS BECOMING THE HUB AND ESPECIALLY TORONTO. WE'RE BUILDING ANOTHER ONE IN VANCOUVER AND OTHER CITIES AND IT'S GOING TO BE VERY INCREDIBLE. I CAN SHOW SOME IMAGES OF THE STAGE. SOME OTHER EXAMPLES TOO BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE FROM THE TIME OF THE TALK. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE STAGE -- THIS STAGE IS BEING BUILT. IT'S QUITE HUGE AND YOU CAN'T IMAGINE THE -- ESSENTIALLY THIS IS FOR CREATING A DIGITAL WORLD. THE SCREEN IS OUT OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHEN YOU HAVE A SCENE THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO TRAVEL SOMEWHERE, YOU CAN JUST HAVE THAT, THAT - THE WORLD DIGITALLY CREATED SHOWING THE SCREENS. IT IS VERY IMPRESSIVE TECHNOLOGY. SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THAT SHOWING LIKE THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL SET AND SOME OF THE VIRTUAL SETS DISPLAYING THERE WITH THE SCREENS. WE --- ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE BELIEVE NETFLIX CHOSE TORONTO AS THE NEW HUB IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY RIGHT NOW IN TORONTO TO DO THIS AND IN THIS CHALLENGING TIMES THAT PEOPLE CAN'T TRAVEL, IT HAS A HUGE ADVANTAGE FOR CANADA AND TORONTO TO BE A HUB FOR THAT AND WE ARE PART -- LIKE TORONTO AS A WHOLE IS ATTRACTING A LOT OF TALENTS AND THERE ARE NEW INITIATIVES HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN CANADA SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS AREA OF EXPERTISE. SORRY. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M TALKING TOO FAST. I'M SORRY FOR THAT. YEAH. SO THIS IS A VIDEO SHOWING ONE OF THE -- OOPS -- ONE OF THE STAGE AND YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE PRODUCTION -- THE DESIGN OF IT; THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT THE JOBS THAT ARE BEING CREATED ARE NOT ONLY TECHNICAL JOBS LIKE MINE. THERE ARE PEOPLE -- THEY'RE STAYING AT COMPUTERS DO THE SPECIAL EFFECTS -- THE VISUAL EFFECTS IN THIS CASE IN THE SHOW BUT IT'S ALSO THE, THE CREW -- THE CREW THAT NEEDS TO PUT IN THE STRUCTURES. THEY ARE VERY COMPLEX. VERY EXPENSIVE. IT'S A LOT OF JOBS IN NOT ONLY IT'S IN THE IMPACT -- THE POSITIVE IMPACTS IN THE JOBS THAT ARE CREATED FOR THESE SPECIFICTASKS BUT ALSO IN THE PLACES AROUND IT BECAUSE YOU NEED ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE JUST COMING AND GOING DOING THIS, THIS PROJECT, RIGHT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING OTHER BUSINESS AROUND THIS PLACE. RIGHT. THESE ARE VERY LARGE STAGE AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE THERE TO, TO RUN IT OF COURSE ALL WITH RESPECTING SAFETY DISTANCING DURING COVID TIMES. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT LOOKS. HERE'S A PHOTO OF THE -- ONE OF THE STAGES -- THE FIRST ONE -- THE BIGGEST ONE THAT WE HAVE BUILT - THE BIG SODONA (PHONETIC). I'LL JUST CYCLE THROUGH SOME OTHER PHOTOS HERE. IT'S VERY INCREDIBLE. I THINK IT'S AMAZING. I'LL TRY TO FIX (... INDISCERNIBLE) THERE. ALL THE IMAGES BEING DONE IN, IN CANADA. ONE OF THEM IT'S -- IT'S A VIRTUAL PRODUCTION ACADEMY WHICH IS SOMETHING I'M ALSO INVOLVED AS AN INSTRUCTOR AND IT'S GOING TO BE A TRAINING CENTER FOR LEARNING THE CRAFTS -- OOPS -- OF VIRTUAL PRODUCTION FOR NOT ONLY PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY BUT ALSO PEOPLE -- MEMBERS OF THE UNIONS THAT WANT TO, TO TRANSITION FOR THIS NEW WAY OF SHOWING MOVIES AND TV SHOWS. COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES THAT WANT TO TRAIN PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET INVOLVED. IT'S ALSO FOR CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT TO HELPING THE PROJECTS IN TORONTO TO BECOME MORE LIKE A HUB FOR THIS AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE A NET POSITIVE IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITIES AND THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOT ONLY TO ALL ACROSS CANADA. WE WANT TO HELP DEVELOP AND TRAIN PEOPLE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE AS MUCH OPPORTUNITY AS POSSIBLE TO AS MUCH AS WE CAN IMPACT. I HAVE A TEASER NOW THAT I WANT TO SHOW. THERE ARE MORE DETAILS COMING FROM THIS AT THE END OF THE YEAR BUT AS TO THESE RIGHT NOW, I CAN SHOW YOU A TEASER. LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE (... INDISCERNIBLE) OF MY COMPUTER IS COMING THROUGH. I MIGHT NEED TO SHARE AGAIN. ONE SECOND. SORRY FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. AND HERE'S THE TEASER. LET ME JUST MOVE TO THE RIGHT SCREEN. SORRY. YOU CAN TELL I'M A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS. I'M VERY -- VERY HUMBLE TO BE PART OF THIS -- OF THIS CALL WITH YOU GUYS. SO HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE THINGS OF WHAT'S COMING -- THE NEW FEATURE FOR TORONTO AND CANADA. (VIDEO BEING PLAYED). YEAH. I'LL STOP SHARING FOR A SECOND. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT -- MAKE A POINT ACROSS. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW IS VERY CHALLENGING BUT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW TO IMPACT FULL CHANGE IN THE LIVES OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN TORONTO AND CANADA AND LOTS OF PEOPLE COME TO CANADA TO STUDY THE CRAFT AND ONCE YOU WORK IN CANADA I THINK -- THIS IS AMAZING OPPORTUNITY AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE PART OF THIS AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD KICKSTART AND EFFORT TO BE PART OF THIS KIND OF WEBINAR AND THIS TALK. YEP, THAT'S IT, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO IT. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. DR. DAVID WHEELER: THIAGO, THAT WAS A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION AND I KNOW IF MY TEN YEAR OLD SON SAW THAT, HIS CAREER CHOICE WOULD BE DEFINED IMMEDIATELY. SO I THINK IT'S GREAT TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN CANADA AND, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A SOURCE OF ENORMOUS PRIDE TO CANADIANS TO SEE THIS INDUSTRY WITH ALL OF ITS POTENTIAL BEING LED FROM TORONTO, FROM VANCOUVER, FROM MOST OF THESE PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. WHAT A FANTASTIC ASSET FOR THE COUNTRY TO HAVE SO, THIAGO, FOR THE MOMENT THANK YOU FOR THAT VERY, VERY -- THIAGO CARNEIRO: THANKS FOR HAVING ME. DR. DAVID WHEELER: -- INSPIRATIONAL TALK AND, AS I SAID EARLIER, PLEASE DO USE THE Q&A FUNCTION IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THIAGO. HE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT DIRECTLY. NOW THAT WE'RE MOVING BEYOND HIS TALK -- OF COURSE HE WILL BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH ANY QUESTIONS IN THE DISCUSSION AFTER ALL THREE OF OUR PANELISTS HAVE SPOKEN. THIAGO CARNEIRO: CAN I JUST MAKE ONE LAST POINT? ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE TO ANYONE. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THIS TALK THAT YOU WANT ANSWERED THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT VIRTUAL PRODUCTION, ABOUT VIRTUAL ACADEMY, ABOUT THE INDUSTRY -- I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE. DR. DAVID WHEELER: WELL THAT'S A VERY, VERY GENEROUS OFFER. THANK YOU, THIAGO. SO CHECK OUT THIAGO ON LINKEDIN AND BOMBARD HIM WITH QUESTIONS AND IDEAS AND I KNOW YOU'LL GET A VERY GOOD RESPONSE BECAUSE THIAGO IS ONE PASSIONATE ADVOCATE TO HIS CRAFT AND FILM INDUSTRY SO THANKS AGAIN. AT THIS POINT IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD MOMENT TO INTRODUCE OUR SIGN LANGUAGE SUPPORTERS -- SARAH AND ROSALIE -- AND YOU CAN SEE SARAH THERE, I THINK, AND ROSALIE YOU SAW EARLIER. SO AGAIN I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR SIGNERS -- TO OUR INTERPRETERS AND IF YOU'RE USING THEIR SERVICE, YOU'RE ENJOYING CONNECTING WITH (... INDISCERNIBLE). NOW I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE JEFF MELANSON. SO JEFF IS A VERY PROMINENT PLAYER IN THE CANADIAN ARTS AND CULTURE COMMUNITY AND HE IS KNOWN INTERNATIONALLY FOR HIS APPROACH TO LEADERSHIP, STRATEGY AND VISION. SO JEFF IS SOMETHING OF A FUTURIST, AN UBER NETWORKER AND SOMEONE WHO OBVIOUSLY ENCOURAGES A LOT OF TALENT AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE CREATIVE INDUSTRIES IN CANADA. SO, JEFF, I THINK YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE TECHNOLOGY TO SUPPORT YOUR TALK. YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK FROM THE HEART AND THE HEAD AND WE VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. SO OVER TO YOU JEFF. JEFF MELANSON: GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAVID. A REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL TODAY. WHEN I KNEW I WAS GOING TO FOLLOW THIAGO AND HE WAS GOING TO SHOW US EXTRAORDINARY VIDEO CONTENT, I OFFERED WISELY NOT TO SHARE ANY VIDEO CONTENT OF MY OWN. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THOSE ATTENDING. YOU JUST GET MY, MY UGLY MUG AND I'LL, I'LL SPEAK FROM THE HEART AS, AS DAVID MENTIONED. FIRST I WAS DELIGHTED TO RECEIVE THIS INVITATION TO SPEAK FOR THE CANADIAN COLLEGES FOR RESILIENT RECOVERY AND WHEN I WAS ASKED I SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES FOR C2R2 WHICH WHEN I FIRST HEARD THE ACRONYM, I WAS HOPING IT WAS GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF VACCINE THAT I WOULD GET ACCESS TO BUT WAS PLEASED TO DISCOVER THAT YOU HAVE REALLY, REALLY AN IMPORTANT MANDATE WHICH IS YOU'RE SUPPORTING A RECOVERY THAT DELIVERS GOOD JOBS; POSITIVELY IMPACTING THE ENVIRONMENT AND ADDRESSING SOCIO-ECONOMIC EQUALITY WHICH I CAN'T THINK OF THREE BETTER OUTCOMES TO AIM FOR, AND I THINK TODAY'S TALK YOU ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO HEAR PEOPLE SPEAK TO ALL THREE OF THOSE PRIORITIES. ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY; AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY IN JOB CREATION AND, OF COURSE, AND SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE INCREDIBLE THIAGO WE JUST HEARD FROM AND THE WONDERFUL KADON WHO IS GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXCEPTIONAL DISCUSSION AROUND DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION AS IT APPLIES TO THE CREATIVE INDUSTRY SO I, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO -- WE'RE GOING TO CHECK ALL THE BOXES TODAY. A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HUMAN CREATIVITY AND AUTOMATION AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ENTERING A PERIOD WHERE TECHNOLOGY HAS ALLOWED US TO AUTOMATE THINGS IN A WAY THAT ARE KIND OF DAUNTING WHEN ONE LOOKS INTO THE FUTURE AND THINKS ABOUT WHAT THAT IMPACT ON JOBS ON OUR ECONOMY MIGHT BE, AND I LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT HUMAN CREATIVITY IS AN UNLIMITED RESOURCE SO I THINK THE PERIOD WE'RE ABOUT TO ENTER INTO IS GOING TO BE ONE THAT WILL BE CHALLENGING BUT WHERE WE WILL SEE THE RISE OF HUMAN CREATIVITY AS A LEADING DRIVER FOR HOW WE BUILD OUR SOCIETIES AND ECONOMIES GOING FORWARD AND I THINK HOPEFULLY MY TALK I CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT. I THINK THE SPEAKERS YOU'LL HEAR FROM TODAY WILL SPEAK TO THAT MORE FULSOME. BEFORE I MOVE IN AS WELL THE UNREAL ENGINE IS INCREDIBLE. SO I'M GLAD YOU LED OFF WITH THIAGO. IN SPEAKING TO SOMEONE JUST YESTERDAY. I SAID HOW MANY JOBS DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO CREATE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD? AND THEIR PROJECTION WAS, OH, SOMETHING LIKE 100,000 OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS GLOBALLY SO THERE'S A -- IT'S AN INCREDIBLY QUICKLY GROWING FIELD AND PRETTY EXCITING NEW SPACE. SO I WANT TO THANK MOHAWK AS WELL FOR HOSTING TODAY'S TALK AND, OF COURSE, SENECA WHO IS ARE OUR PARTNERS ON MICROCREDENTIALS AND MANY OTHER THINGS FOR BEING THE GREAT CURATOR. KURT, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STATE OF THE UNION IN TERMS OF THE INDUSTRY. AS SOME OF YOU WILL KNOW -- MOST PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW -- IF YOU GO BACK TO 2016, GLOBAL PRODUCTION SPENDING WAS ABOUT 44 BILLION USD. SO THIS IS 2016. FIVE YEARS AGO. OBVIOUSLY COVID IS THE (... INDISCERNIBLE) TRAJECTORY SO WE'LL NOT TALK ABOUT THE LAST YEAR BUT 2016 TO 2019 GLOBAL FILM PRODUCTIONS WENT FROM 44 BILLION TO 177 BILLION IN 2019 SO A VERY, VERY, VERY STEEP GROWTH CURVE WHICH NO ONE ANTICIPATED. SO WHAT'S THAT CREATED IS ONCE IN A GENERATION OPPORTUNITIES IN TERMS OF JOB CREATION; BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND INCREDIBLE ROLES FOR BOTH ONSCREEN AND NARRATIVE STORYTELLING AND OBVIOUSLY AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK BEHIND THE SCENES IN CREATING SCREEN-BASED CONTENT AND THIS WILL INCLUDE ANYTHING FROM ANIMATION OF FILM TO GAMING OF COURSE. SO AN INCREDIBLE TRAJECTORY. WE DO A LOT OF WORK REMINDING PEOPLE OF THIS BECAUSE I THINK WE AREN'T -- OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T EXPECT IT AND CANADA, WHILE I THINK DAVID WAS RIGHT, HAS BEEN A STRONG PLAYER GLOBALLY, I THINK WE WERE CAUGHT A BIT FLAT-FOOTED WITH RESPECT TO THIS GROWTH SO WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP AT THIS POINT. SO A HUGE, HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR CANADA AND GLOBALLY FOR NOT ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN DEVELOP THE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH IS FAIRLY LOW CARBON FOOTPRINT AND NOT VERY DISRUPTIVE WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE TEND TO LIKE TO WORK WITH FILM PEOPLE BECAUSE WE REALLY -- WE BUILD BOXES AND THE BOXES CAN COME AND GO AS THEY -- AS TIME AND DEMAND REQUIRES AND IN TERMS OF JOB CREATION EXTRAORDINARY, EXTRAORDINARY JOB CREATION ATTACHED TO THAT. OUR PROBLEM IN CANADA IS GENERALLY OUR INSTITUTIONS HAVE NOT KEPT PACE WITH THAT GROWTH. SO WHILE WE HAVE INCREDIBLE COLLEGES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY; AMAZING MEDIA ART DESIGN SCHOOLS. SOME OF THE SKILLS THAT THIAGO HIGHLIGHTED WERE NOT QUITE OFFERING AT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COLLEGES WHICH IS WHY VIRTUAL PRODUCTION ACADEMY WILL BE A REALLY IMPORTANT PLAYER BUT ALSO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, WITH THE POST-SECONDARY SYSTEM IS AS THE MODALITIES OF CREATION AND CONTENT AND CONSUMPTION OF CONTENT CHANGE, WE HAVE TO BE CONSTANTLY REFRESHING OUR APPROACH. SO THE CREATIVE CHANGE IS OBVIOUSLY DRIVEN A NEED FOR SOME RESPONSE FROM COLLEGES AND POST-SECONDARIES, THE TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGE -- AND I KNOW KADON WILL SPEAK TO THIS -- BUT FROM A DIVERSITY STANDPOINT, GENERALLY WE HAVE DONE A TERRIBLE JOB IN OUR INDUSTRIES REALLY TO -- SHARING ALL THE VOICES AND BEING AS INCLUSIVE AS WE CAN BE SO A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE. SO WHILE THERE IS AN EXCITING GROWTH OPPORTUNITY, THERE ARE A LOT OF SYSTEMIC CHALLENGES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY DEVELOPING THESE THINGS IN THE MOST ROBUST AND THOUGHTFUL WAY. IN TERMS OF COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGES FOR CANADA, WE HAVE KIND OF THREE AREAS THAT PEOPLE TEND TO LOOK AT WHEN THEY'RE CREATING CONTENT. THEY LOOK AT -- THIS IS PART OF THE -- THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE BORING SO I APOLOGIZE -- TAX INCENTIVES IN FOREIGN CURRENCY IS ONE PIECE. WE LOOK AT PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND HUMAN CAPITAL WHICH IS THE TALENT WHICH IS ACTUALLY NORMAL FOR ALMOST ANY STRATEGY. WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL, PHYSICAL AND HUMAN RESOURCE SPACE THAT UNDERPINS YOUR ECONOMIC GROWTH? IN TERMS OF CANADA'S ASSESSMENTS, OUR TAX CREDIT SYSTEM IS PRETTY GOOD AND THERE'S SOME VERY EXCITING THINGS HAPPENING COMPETITIVELY GLOBALLY THAT WE'LL NEED TO THINK ABOUT AS WE MOVE AHEAD TO MAKE SURE CANADA CONTINUES TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THIS SPACE. IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH HIGH QUALITY. WHAT THIAGO WAS ARTICULATING WITH THE ONE STAGE THAT PIXOMONDO HAS DONE. TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THIS, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THERE WASN'T A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR THOSE SMART STAGES AND NOW EVERY STREAMING SERVICE, EVERY STUDIO IS LOOKING FOR THEM SO OBVIOUSLY NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE A BIT OF A GAP TO CLOSE IN TERMS OF DELIVERING ON THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND IN TERMS OF OUR WORKFORCE - INSUFFICIENT. WE DO NOT HAVE NEARLY ENOUGH PEOPLE IN FILM AND CREATIVE INDUSTRIES. WE'RE WAY SHORT AND I'LL GIVE YOU A FEW METRICS THAT WILL HELP TO ARTICULATE THAT. THE COMPANY I WORK WITH AND REPRESENT STRATAGEM IS A CAPACITY BUILDING AND CREATIVITY COMPANY, AND WE AIM TO BUILD 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF STUDIOS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS ACROSS CANADA. WE'VE OPENED OUR FIRST 250,000 SQUARE FEET ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO IN TORONTO, ABOUT 125,000 SQUARE FEET OF STUDIOS, AND GENERALLY THE RULE OF THUMB IS FOR EVERY 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF STUDIOS OR SOUND STAGES YOU OPEN, YOU CREATE A 1,000 DIRECT ONSITE JOBS AND 2,000 INDIRECT JOBS, AND THERE ARE MANY COMPANIES GOING INTO THIS SPACE. STRATAGEM IS NOT ALONE IN THIS SPACE. SO FOR OUR COMPANY IF WE ACHIEVE ON THE 1.5 MILLION OF WHICH HALF WILL BE SOUND STAGES, 750,000 SQUARE FEET, WE CREATE ABOUT 75,000 JOBS THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT IN TOTAL BETWEEN DIRECT AND INDIRECT OR OFFSITE. SO YOU CAN JUST IMAGINE YOU ADD FOUR OR FIVE PLAYERS ACROSS THE CANADA -- THERE'S TREMENDOUS JOB GROWTH COMING AND THE COLLEGES DO HAVE GREAT TRAINING PROGRAMS BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY TO INTERCONNECT THE COLLEGE SYSTEM INTO THAT EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY DIRECTLY, AND I'LL TELL YOU SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON WITH RESPECT TO THAT. WE ALSO HAVE A POST-PRODUCTION COMPANY AND PRODUCTION SERVICES, AND OTHER THINGS, AND LIKE THIAGO, IF YOU WANT TO LEARN ANYTHING MORE ABOUT OUR WORK AND OUR BUSINESS, DON'T HESITATE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TIME TODAY TO GET INTO IT AND I WON'T OTHERWISE DAVID WILL GIVE ME THE SORT OF HOOK AND I'LL BE, I'LL BE QUICKLY OFF SCREEN. SO I JUST WANT TO SORT OF CLOSE THIS LAST SECTION HERE AND TALK A BIT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO WHEN WE REALIZED THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CHANGE, MY PARTNERS AND I HAD A CONVERSATION AND WE THOUGHT WELL WE COULD LAUNCH OUR OWN TRAINING INITIATIVES BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE AND WHAT WE NEED IS REALLY A LARGER SCALE INTERVENTIONS. SO OUR PARTNERSHIPS -- AND THIS IS PART OF WHAT I HAVE DONE HISTORICALLY IN OUR TRAINING IS TAKING A SMALL IDEA AND TRY TO TURN IT INTO A BIG IDEA USUALLY SUCCESSFULLY, SOME TIMES LESS SO, BUT THEN I'LL LEARN THE HARD WAY OF HOW TO DO THINGS PRETTY WELL AND HOW TO REALLY NOT DO THINGS WELL SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S A BIT OF WISDOM, WISDOM IN THIS. SO WE, WE THOUGHT IN TERMS OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, WHY NOT TRY TO REIMAGINE K TO 12 -- GRADE 12 EDUCATION SYSTEM IN HOW IT APPROACHES CREATIVE EDUCATION. SO AS A LOT OF YOU WILL KNOW DESPITE THE SORT OF RISE IN THE NEED OF HUMAN CREATIVE CAPACITY INTO THE FUTURE WE'VE ACTUALLY CUT ARTS EDUCATION IN MOST OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL PROGRAMMING. SO THAT'S NOT GOOD AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US NOT TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE USED TO PROVIDE BUT ACTUALLY REIMAGINE IT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH COMPANIES LIKE PIXOMONDO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT THAT HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION EXPERIENCE CAN BE. SO WE LAUNCHED A STRATAGEM PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TORONTO DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD, 250,000 STUDENTS IN THAT SCHOOL BOARD, ABOUT 22,000 STUDENTS PER GRADE LEVEL TO START TO TAKE THE KIND OF CONTENT THAT EVEN FRANKLY YOU COULD TAKE THIAGO'S PRESENTATION, I KNOW KADON'S PRESENTATION, PLUG IT INTO THOSE, YOU KNOW, GRADE 10, GRADE 11, GRADE 12 STUDENTS AND ACHIEVING A MAGNIFICENT, YOU KNOW, AMOUNT OF -- CERTAINLY AWARENESS AND EVENTUALLY PEDAGOGICAL AND DEVELOPMENTAL OF WORK THAT CAN AFFECT MANY, MANY TONS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND THAT'S JUST ONE SCHOOL BOARD, RIGHT, WHO WOULD EVENTUALLY WANT TO EXTEND THAT ACROSS THE (... INDISCERNIBLE). FROM A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT WE PARTNERED WITH TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING AND THEIR EMPLOYMENT SERVICES TO WORK WITH THEIR INTERNSHIP-BASED PROGRAM TO TAKE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT HAVE INTEREST IN THE CREATIVE INDUSTRIES AND PROVIDE DIRECT INTERNSHIP AND TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES IN SORT OF ALMOST CONCIERGE STYLE MATCH THE INTEREST OF THE INDIVIDUAL WITH THEIR OPPORTUNITIES FOR PLACEMENT. TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING HAS 110,000 RESIDENTS SO THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO USE A LARGER SCALE SYSTEM TO IMPACT MANY, MANY, MORE PEOPLE. AND THEN WE WERE DELIGHTED TO PARTNER WITH THE, THE HEADS OF MEDIA ART DESIGN WHICH IS AN ASSOCIATION IN ONTARIO THAT HAS 22 COLLEGES. WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THEM QUARTERLY TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE DEVELOP WORKING TO GREATER LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES TO ENSURE THAT THE COLLEGES CAN ACTUALLY CREATE A BIT OF A MORE OF A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP AND WORK WITH PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNERS TO SCALE. DURING COVID JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE WE WERE ABLE TO SERVE ABOUT 2,000 YOUNG PEOPLE THROUGH THE TORONTO DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD, ABOUT 36 INTERNS THROUGH TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING AND ABOUT 120 STUDENTS THROUGH DIRECT INTERNSHIP IN CO-OP PLACEMENTS THROUGH THE HEADS OF MEDIA ART DESIGN AND IT'S, IT'S -- WHAT WE -- WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TO BE WAY BIGGER THAN THAT. THAT WAS OUR BETA TEST SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EAGER TO BRING IN OTHER PARTNERS TO HELP US SCALE THIS BECAUSE WE NEED MANY, MANY MORE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING. THE LAST THINGS I'LL SAY -- SENECA WE WERE DELIGHTED TO PARTNER WITH AND DEVELOP THE MICROCREDENTIALS THAT KURT MENTIONED EARLIER. THERE ARE TEN OF THOSE. MICROCREDENTIALS PROVIDE A REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE OF US IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO PARTNER WITH COLLEGES TO CREATE REALLY RELEVANT FAST-TRACKED PROGRAMMING THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT SO WE'RE DELIGHTED TO DO THAT. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SCALING THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH OTHER PARTNERS AS WELL, AND WE'VE JUST ENTERED A PARTNERSHIP WITH MAGNET (PHONETIC) WHICH IS THE SISTER ORGANIZATION OF THE FUTURE SKILLS CANADA THAT IS CHARGED WITH THE IDEA OF BUILDING AN EDUCATIONAL PLATFORM -- PLACEMENT PLATFORM I SHOULD SAY FOR THE POST-SECONDARIES TO HELP YOUNG PEOPLE MORE DIRECTLY GET INTO THE KIND OF JOBS AND CAREERS THEY WANT. WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM AND D2L ARE THE BUILT CUSTOM CONTENT. WE'LL HAVE OTHER TRAINING SIDE. MAGNET WILL HELP US BUILD SORT OF BETTER PATHWAYS INTO EMPLOYMENT FOR YOUNG PEOPLE. SO REALLY EXCITING THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE. WE'RE BETA TESTING A FEW IDEAS THAT I THINK HAVE TREMENDOUS SCALE. THE OPPORTUNITY IS CERTAINLY THERE AND WE NEED OTHER PARTNERS. THE VERY FINAL THING I'LL SAY FROM A GOVERNMENT STANDPOINT. WHAT CAN A GOVERNMENT DO TO REACT TO THESE OPPORTUNITIES? FIRST WE HAVE TO MODERNIZE OUR APPROACH TO TRAINING AND OUR APPROACH TO CULTURAL TRAINING IN PARTICULAR. A LOT OF WHAT I DID HISTORICALLY TO BE HONEST NEEDS TO BE MODERNIZED TO SOME DEGREE SO THERE'S A LOT OF INVESTMENTS IN ARTS TRAINING UNFORTUNATELY FOR JOBS THAT NO LONGER EXIST SO THERE'S CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CREATIVE INDUSTRY THAT ARE NOT GROWING AND WE HAVE TO KIND OF PIVOT A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO BE TRAINING PEOPLE FOR CAREERS THAT DON'T EXIST AND YOU'RE HAVING TO LEAVE SCHOOL WITH STUDENT DEBT LEVEL (... INDISCERNIBLE) AND LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES. SO FOCUSING MORE ON A SORT OF GROWING CREATIVE INDUSTRIES IS IMPORTANT. ENHANCING PLACEMENT OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE SDC AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN DO SORT OF A BETTER JOB OF MATCHING THE SORT OF POST-SECONDARY STUDENTS WITH DIRECT PLACEMENT SO IT WILL BE RELEVANT, AND THEN I THINK ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE THE GOVERNMENT MIGHT CONSIDER -- THIS IS A PROVOCATIVE IDEA -- OTHER COUNTRIES ARE DOING THIS -- PROVIDING SOME INCENTIVE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT PARTICULARLY RELATED TO DOMESTIC PRODUCTION BECAUSE THE RISK WE RUN THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE MIGHT, MIGHT SHARE WAS DISCUSSED IS CANADA -- PART OF OUR ADVANTAGE IS WE HAVE A LOW DOLLAR AND WE HAVE TAX INCENTIVES. IF WE, IF WE DON'T DEVELOP OUR OWN DOMESTIC CREATIVE INDUSTRIES AGGRESSIVELY, WE RUN THE RISK OF BECOMING THE PLACE WHERE PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES COME TO CHEAPLY PRODUCE THEIR CONTENT WHICH WE HAVE SEEN OTHER INDUSTRIES AND THE IMPACT OF THAT. I THINK THERE WOULD BE A ROLE FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER STEPPING IN ON THE TRAINING AND ON THE INFRASTRUCTURES TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE BUILD A REALLY ROBUST AND DYNAMIC, CREATIVE INDUSTRY SO WE'RE NOT JUST AGAIN SERVICE SUPPORT SERVICE WHICH IS FANTASTIC BUT WE SHOULD BE DOING THE FOREIGN DIRECT INVESTMENT. IF WE'RE ONLY DOING THAT, WE'RE NOT REALLY DEVELOPING CANADIAN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AND TAKING OUR RIGHTFUL PLACE ON THE WORLD STAGE. SO I'LL LEAVE IT WITH THAT. I THREW A LOT AT YOU. I APOLOGIZE. WE ONLY HAD TEN MINUTES. I THINK I WENT A LITTLE BIT LONGER. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AND DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT IF I CAN BE OF ANY FURTHER ASSISTANCE ON THE Q&A. DR. DAVID WHEELER: THANK YOU, JEFF. AGAIN THAT WAS A VERY, VERY INTERESTING CONTRIBUTION COVERING THE OPPORTUNITIES; THE MASSIVE GROWTH IN NUMBERS AND PEOPLE REQUIRED TO STAFF THESE NEW INDUSTRIES AND SOME VERY IMPORTANT POINTS YOU RAISE THERE ABOUT HOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN MAINTAIN THE HUMAN CAPITAL INVESTMENTS AND ENSURE THOSE PAY OFF. THE INDIVIDUALS OF COURSE BUT ALSO FOR CANADA AND CANADIAN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE SO I'M SURE WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO THOSE TOPICS AND JUST BEFORE WE, WE LEAVE YOUR CONTRIBUTION BECAUSE YOU DID VERY MUCH FOCUS ON THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENSURING THAT TRAINING WORKS OPTIMALLY, ONE OF THE IMPORTANT MENTIONS OF THE C2R2 APPROACH IS TO ENSURE THAT ANYTHING THAT IS PRODUCED IN ANY OF OUR COLLEGES THEN BECOMES AUTOMATICALLY SHARABLE NOT JUST ONLY WHERE THE FUNDING COMES BUT WITH ANY COLLEGE OR (... INDISCERNIBLE) OR INSTITUTE ANYWHERE IN CANADA IN A KIND OF A SHAREWARE FREEWARE APPROACH WHICH IS QUITE DIFFERENT FOR SECONDARY EDUCATION THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE TEND TO HANG ON TO WHAT THEY'VE GOT. HOPE TO ATTRACT ALL THE STUDENTS TO THEIR PARTICULAR INSTITUTION. WITH C2R2 WE HAVE THE OPPOSITE APPROACH WHICH IS TO CREATE GREAT STUFF WITH WONDERFUL PARTNERS SUCH AS YOURSELVES AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT'S SHARED WITH ANY COLLEGE IN THE COUNTRY THAT WANTS TO PUT ON THIS KIND OF TRAINING IN THEIR (... INDISCERNIBLE) SO I'M SURE WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO THESE TOPICS HOW WE REINVENT POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION AND IT WAS GOOD FOR ME TO KNOW ALSO THAT YOU WORK WITH THE D2L WHICH MAKES IT A FANTASTIC CANADIAN SUCCESS STORY, A GLOBAL LEADER ON THAT EDUCATION BASED IN KITCHENER, WATERLOO AND, AND WONDERFUL THAT YOU'VE MADE THAT CONNECTION BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST IN THEIR PARTICULAR WORLD AS WELL. OKAY. NOW WE ARE DELIGHTED NOW TO BRING IN KADON DOUGLAS. KADON, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BIPOC TV AND FILM. BIPOC TV AND FILM IS A TORONTO-BASED GRASSROOTS NON-PROFIT ADVOCATING FOR INCREASED REPRESENTATION OF SCREEN-MEDIA PROFESSIONALS FROM BLACK, INDIGENOUS AND PEOPLE OF COLOUR COMMUNITIES IN FRONT OF AND BEHIND THE CAMERA WHICH SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A REALLY IMPORTANT INITIATIVE AND AGAIN ABSOLUTELY CONSISTENT WITH THE C2R2 APPROACH. SO DELIGHTED THAT YOU ARE WITH US, KADON. THE FLOOR IS NOW YOURS. KADON DOUGLAS: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME, HAVING ME HERE TODAY AND IT'S AN HONOUR TO FOLLOW BOTH JEFF AND THIAGO. THIAGO, I LOVE, I LOVE TECHNOLOGY AND I'VE ALSO SPEND MANY YEARS THINKING ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THAT SPACE TO REALLY EXPAND -- TO REALLY EXPAND OUR SECTOR SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING AND, JEFF, LIKE I WAS NODDING ALONG A LOT WITH WHAT YOU WERE -- WITH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. A LOT OF WHAT OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS PART OF MY MANY RANTS THROUGHOUT THE WEEK ABOUT THE INDUSTRY AND MY -- WELL NOW THAT PEOPLE ARE -- PEOPLE ARE LEARNING BY REPUTATION FOR BEING VERY IMPATIENT WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR SECTOR. I AM -- LAST YEAR -- LAST MARCH WHEN EVERYTHING WAS -- WHEN EVERYTHING WAS LOCKING DOWN, I REALLY STARTED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS THIS -- WHAT IS THIS MOMENT? WHAT IS THIS PAUSE? WHAT IS THAT PRESENTING TO US? AND AS MUCH AS SO MANY PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OF THIS TIME, I SAW VERY MUCH THAT IT PRESENTED US WITH AN OPPORTUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO RE-THINK HOW WE OPERATE IN THIS WORLD; TO REIMAGINE OUR COMMUNITIES, OUR INDUSTRIES AS WELL AND A WAY FOR US TO REINVENT THE FUTURE FOR ALL OF US. RIGHT AFTER THAT IN THE, IN THE MIDST OF ALL THIS I STARTED, I STARTED WORKING AT RYERSON UNIVERSITY'S FACULTY OF COMMUNICATION AND DESIGN WHICH FURTHER FUELED THOSE -- FUELED THOSE CONVERSATIONS WHERE I FELT MYSELF IN DAILY DIALOGUES ABOUT HOW CAN WE ADVANCE, ADVANCE THE CREATIVE SECTOR AND WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF THE CREATIVE INDUSTRIES? WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN NOW TO BE A CREATIVE AND IN WHAT WAYS ARE WE -- WHAT WAYS ARE WE EXPLORING HOW WE -- HOW WE EXPRESS OURSELVES IN THE DIFFERENT MEDIA THAT WE, THAT WE WORK IN? SO IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THAT HAVING A CONVERSATION AND THEN WITH, WITH THE EVENTS OF LAST SUMMER; THE RISE IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ANTI-BLACK RACISM AND THEN NOW ABOUT ANTI-ASIAN RACISM, IT'S THINKING -- AND IN THE MIDST OF ALL THAT THINKING ABOUT THE RECOVERY OF OUR SECTOR. SO NOW IN -- NOW THINKING ABOUT THE ETHICAL, THE ETHICAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT, HOW ARE WE APPLYING ETHICS TO HOW WE'RE REBUILDING THE SECTOR? WHAT IS THE -- WHAT DOES THE RESILIENT -- WHAT DOES THE RESILIENT RECOVERY LOOK LIKE FOR US? AND THEN WE CAME UP WITH A POINT THAT IT HAS TO BE INCLUSIVE. IT HAS TO -- IT HAS TO MAKE ROOM FOR ALL OF US TO THRIVE AND I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, WE NEED TO DO TO (... INDISCERNIBLE) A BIT? EARLIER THIS YEAR STARTING IN THIS NEW ROLE OF BIPOC TV AND FILM I FOUND MYSELF HAVING MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. SO BRINGING IT BACK AGAIN TO WHAT DOES -- WHAT DOES A JUST RECOVERY LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO US TO REBUILD AND RE-IMAGINE OUR INDUSTRY? HOW WILL WE BUILD A SECTOR THAT IS INCLUSIVE, THAT OFFERS EQUITABLE OFFERS TO OPPORTUNITY, CAREER ADVANCEMENT AND FUNDING? ALSO WHAT DOES EQUITY EVEN LOOK LIKE IN OUR SECTOR? FOR MANY YEARS WE ARE HEARING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT GENDER PARITY, ABOUT EQUALITY, BUT NOW WE'RE SEEING CONVERSATIONS AROUND EQUALI.. -- EQUITY AND JUSTICE AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR US? HOW ARE WE REALLOCATING RESOURCES, REALLOCATING FUNDING AND MAKING SURE THAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE SHARED EQUALLY AMONGST US? SO I ALSO SAW IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THAT THAT WE ARE IN A RENAISSANCE -- THAT WE ARE IN A RENAISSANCE PERIOD IN THINKING NOW WHAT IS CANADIAN CONTENT AND HOW DOES IT FIT INTO THE GLOBAL MARKETPLACE? WHOSE STORIES ARE WE TELLING? WHO IS ALLOWED TO TELL STORIES AS WELL AND HOW ARE WE MAKING ROOM FOR THAT TO -- FOR THAT TO TAKE PLACE? WITH LAST YEAR, WHAT I ALSO SAW WHICH WAS -- WHICH REALLY SURPRISED ME FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY FOR SO LONG AND WHO HAS EXISTED FOR MY 36 YEARS AS IN A BLACK BODY, I NEVER THOUGHT THAT IN MY LIFETIME THAT I WOULD SEE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW. WE SAW SOME QUICK RESPONSES FROM OUR SECTOR, FROM BROADCASTERS, FROM GOVERNMENT BODIES MAKING COMMITMENTS ON EQUITY, INCLUSION AND BUILDING A GREATER SENSE OF BELONGING. WE RECENTLY SAW THE LAUNCH OF CMS 'SEEK MORE' CAMPAIGN. WE ALSO SEE TELEPHONE CANADA MAKING COMMITMENT TO MORE EQUITABLE HIRING PRACTICES TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE WIDER SECTOR. SO IN THE MIDDLE OF SEEING ALL OF -- IN SEEING ALL OF THAT I AM HOPEFUL. HOWEVER, I MUST NOTE THAT WE MUST KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING. I ALSO WANT TO SPEAK TODAY ABOUT SOME OF THE -- SORRY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I ALWAYS FORGET THAT I'M ON CAMERA. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE -- THAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT AT BIPOC TV AND FILM AND HOW WE BUILD OUR PROGRAMMING THAT WE'RE TAKING A REALLY CLOSE LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS TO ENTRY? WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS TO CAREER ADVANCEMENT? SO LET'S THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW DO PEOPLE EVEN GET INTO THE FILM AND TV INDUSTRY? ONE PATHWAY IS THROUGH EDUCATION. THROUGH FILM SCHOOL. THAT WOULD BE AT THE COLLEGES OR THE UNIVERSITIES. ANOTHER ONE IS THROUGH -- ANOTHER WAY THAT WE GET THROUGH IS THROUGH NETWORKING AND THEN THIRDLY THROUGH INTERNSHIP, MENTORSHIP, FELLOWSHIP AS WELL. SO LET'S NOW THINK ABOUT WHO HAS ACCESS TO ALL OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. IN TERMS OF FILM SCHOOLS WE SEE REALLY LOW REPRESENTATION OF PEOPLE FROM BLACK, INDIGENOUS AND PEOPLE OF COLOUR COMMUNITIES. WE ALSO SEE THAT A LOT OF THE STUDENTS WHO ARE COMING OUT OF THESE PROGRAMS ARE OFTEN ILL-PREPARED FOR THE WORKFORCE. THEY LACK THE SKILLS OF NAVIGATING SUCCESSFULLY TO KNOW WHO TO GO TO; HOW TO OPERATE PROFESSIONALLY WITHIN THAT SPACE; WHAT NETWORK TO ACCESS AND THAT ALSO WOULD LEAD ME TO THAT OTHER QUESTION ABOUT WHAT NETWORKS OF COMMUNITIES DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO? WE KNOW THAT OUR INDUSTRY IS PREDOMINENTLY WHITE. WE KNOW THAT IT IS INACCESSIBLE TO BLACK, INDIGENOUS AND PEOPLE OF COLOUR. THAT WE HAVE A LACK OF DIVERSITY WITHIN OUR SPACES. HOW DO PEOPLE WHO ARE -- HOW DO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ENTER THIS SECTOR, HOW DO THEY ACCESS THAT WITHOUT KNOWING WHO'S WHO IN THE SECTOR AS WELL? WHEN IT COMES TO INTERNSHIP, MENTORSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP -- A LOT OF THESE TIMES THESE ARE UNPAID AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHO HAS -- WHO IS ABLE TO TAKE ON UNPAID WORK. YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE WAGE -- THE RACIAL WAGE GAP AS WELL WITHIN OUR INDUSTRY AND ALSO JUST WITHIN OUR GENERAL ECONOMY. SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN MUSING ABOUT AND SEE LOOK HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THESE ISSUES? THIS IS WHERE BIPOC TV AND FILM COMES IN. IN 2012 NATHALIE YOUNGLAI, A SHOW RUNNER -- A SHOW RUNNER AND WRITER DECIDED TO BRING TOGETHER A GROUP OF CREATIVES SO WE CAN SUPPORT EACH OTHER, WE CAN SHARE RESOURCES, AND WE CAN SUPPORT AND WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER IN OUR CAREER DEVELOPMENT. SINCE 2012 BIPOC TV AND FILM HAS BEEN A KEY COMMUNITY, A COMMUNITY RESOURCE FOR BLACK, INDIGENOUS AND PEOPLE OF COLOUR ACROSS CANADA BUT MAINLY IN ONTARIO. WE HAVE CREATED ONLINE SPACES SO PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO NETWORK AND WE HAVE ALSO HOSTED IN-PERSON EVENTS AS WELL AS PANELS, PANELS AND SMALL WORKSHOPS. PEOPLE CAN LEARN, LEARN HOW TO NAVIGATE THE SECTOR BUT ALSO HOPE TO GROW CREATIVELY. THEN WE -- SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT MY NOTES. SO THAT IS THE WORK THAT BIPOC TV AND FILM HAS DONE. LAST YEAR WE -- WE LAUNCHED A NEW DATABASE CALLED HIREBIPOC. SO HIREBIPOC IS A BILINGUAL -- IS A BILINGUAL DATABASE NOW HOSTING OVER 5,000 PROFESSIONALS WHO WORK WITHIN THE SCREEN SECTOR. WE HAVE PEOPLE RANGING FROM BELOW THE LINE CREW TO ABOVE THE LINE AS WELL. WE ALSO, WE ALSO HAVE OVER 200 WHO ARE FRENCH SPEAKING TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE REACHING THOSE COMMUNITIES AND PROVIDING JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM. THROUGH HIREBIPOC EMPLOYERS ARE ABLE TO CONNECT DIRECTLY WITH, WITH AN EXPERIENCED WORKFORCE. SO WE FACILITATE, SO WE FACILITATE THAT -- WE FACILITATE THAT ALL THE TIME IN TERMS OF BUILDING OUR SHORT LIST FOR DIFFERENT ROLES AS WELL SO PEOPLE CAN GET GREAT WORKING OPPORTUNITIES AND HIREBIPOC WAS BUILT BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT WE FACE IN THIS INDUSTRY IS A CLAIM THAT THERE AREN'T ENOUGH OF US. NO ONE KNOWS WHERE TO FIND US. SO THIS IS A SOLUTION TO BOOST DISCOVERABILITY FOR BIPOC TALENT AND TO, AND TO JUST CONNECT EVERYONE. I'M VERY, I'M VERY NERVOUS SO (LAUGHTER) -- BUT I'LL, I WILL BE FINE. I KILL IT IN Q&AS. SO THIS IS -- THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING AT BIPOC TV -- AT BIPOC TV AND FILM. WE'RE ALSO WORKING CLOSELY WITH UNIONS, GUILDS AND ASSOCIATIONS TO -- WITHIN ACCOUNTABILITY FRAMEWORK TO -- THANK YOU -- TO ENSURE THAT, TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE, THAT THEY ARE KEEPING THEIR COMMITMENT AS IT CONCERNS DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION. WE MEET WITH THE UNION -- WE MEET WITH THE UNION DIVERSITY COMMITTEE MONTHLY TO TRACK THEIR PROGRESS AND TO SUPPORT THEM IN THEIR EFFORTS. WE ALSO CONSULT WITH THE CMF WITH TELEFILM AND WITH DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT BODIES. WE SPEAK DIRECTLY WITH BROADCASTERS TO SEE WHAT CAN WE DO COLLECTIVELY TO SUPPORT, TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF OUR SECTOR? THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. I'M GOING TO HIRE EVERYBODY AS MY CHEERLEADING TEAM. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DAILY AT BIPOC -- AT BIPOC TV AND FILM. WE KNOW IN OUR INDUSTRY THAT WE'RE OPERATING WITHIN A SPACE WHERE SYSTEMIC RACISM EXISTS. WE KNOW THAT ALREADY. WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS SOLUTIONS TO COMBAT THAT TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THE OPPORTUNITIES, TO FUNDING AND TO THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED TO ACCELERATE THEIR CAREER GROWTH SO THAT THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE MEANINGFULLY TO CANADA'S CREATIVE ECONOMY AND LASTLY I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS DEVELOP ANTIRACISM, ANTI-OPPRESSION TRAINING MODULES THAT MEMBERS OF THE FILM AND TELEVISION INDUSTRY COULD PARTICIPATE IN TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SAFE AND INCLUSIVE WORKPLACES SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SUPPORT BIPOC TALENT WHEN THEY'RE OUT IN THE FIELD. WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH -- WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH OTHER BIPOC ORGANIZATIONS IN TERMS OF RESEARCH STUDY, DATA COLLECTION AND WE'RE SUPPORTING A -- I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU ABOUT A PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH SENECA COLLEGE TO BOOST INCLUSIVE GROWTH FOR SCREEN-BASED INDUSTRIES. OUT OF THIS, OUT OF THIS PROJECT WE WILL BE IDENTIFYING LABOUR NEEDS -- THE DIRECT LABOUR NEEDS OF THE SCREEN-BASED INDUSTRY. WE'LL ALSO BE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING THE LABOUR POOL FOR MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES AND WE'LL BE PUBLISHING A LABOUR DEVELOPMENTAL REPORT CAPTURING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COMMUNITY, EDUCATION INDUSTRY AND GOVERNMENT PLAYERS SO WE'RE ON THE GROUND DOING THIS WORK TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE REALLY BUILDING -- WE'RE REALY BUILDING A FUTURE INDUSTRY THAT COULD SUPPORT -- THAT IS SUPPORTIVE, THAT IS -- THAT IS VIBRANT, THAT IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MOSAIC THAT IS CANADA AND WE REALLY JUST WANT ALL PEOPLE TO THRIVE WITHIN IT AS WELL. WE NOW HAVE -- AS I SAID BEFORE WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO RE -- TO REINVENT, TO REIMAGINE AND RE-ENERGIZE OUR SECTOR. LET US NOT SQUANDER THAT. LET US TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR WHAT IT IS. LET'S OPEN DOORS. LET'S BE BRIDGES AND NOT BARRIERS TO PROGRESS AND ALSO TO, TO EITHER HELP PEOPLE OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW AND, YES, I'M HAPPY TO JUST CONNECT WITH ALL OF YOU HERE TODAY AND TO SHARE SOME OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING TO ENSURE THAT WE -- THAT WE'RE BUILDING THE RIGHT WAY. THANK YOU. DR. DAVID WHEELER: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, KADON, FOR THAT VERY IMPORTANT AND ARTICULATE CONTRIBUTION. YOU WERE KIND OF SAYING HOW NERVOUS YOU ARE BUT NO ONE SAW THE NERVOUSNESS. WE JUST SAW PASSION AND COMMITMENT AND IT'S REALLY GREAT TO HEAR THE STORY OF YOUR ORGANIZATION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE AN ADVOCACY ROLE AND YOU WRITE THE CHANNEL THAT PASSION TO MAKE THE CASE FOR INCLUSIVITY, FOR OPPORTUNITIES, YOUR CONSTITUENCIES BUT ALSO YOU'RE DOING PRACTICAL STUFF AROUND HIREBIPOC APPROACH, THE THOUSANDS OF TALENTED PEOPLE AVAILABLE TO THE INDUSTRY JUST AS IF -- THAT'S -- YOU KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT WORK. SO I THINK WE'RE ALL VERY, VERY GRATEFUL TO YOU AND TO YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR BRINGING REALITY TO INCLUSIVITY AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BLACK, INDIGENOUS AND PERSONS OF COLOUR BRING INTO THIS ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THEY CLEARLY HAVE A HUGE CONTRIBUTION TO MAKE AND DESERVE THE OPPORTUNITIES SO THANK YOU, KADON, FOR NOW. AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF ASKING QUESTIONS IN A PLENARY WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE MOVING NOW. WE WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO USE THE Q&A FUNCTION IF YOU ARE ABLE TO. IT'S A BIT EASIER DOING THAT THAN TRYING TO GET OUR ATTENTION JUST IN CASE WE DON'T HAVE YOUR THUMBNAIL VIDEO IN FRONT OF US. AS WE'RE WAITING FOR Q&AS TO COME IN, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE SEEN FLASH ACROSS MY SCREEN, AND ONE WAS FOR KADON ACTUALLY AND IT WAS ABOUT HOW DO YOU KEEP GOING? AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE BLM PHENOMENON (... INDISCERNIBLE) AROUND THAT -- THAT WAS A REAL WAKE-UP CALL FOR THE WORLD, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT IT'S SOME TIMES TOUGH CALLING OUT STRUCTURAL RACISM BECAUSE YOU GET SOME NEGATIVE AS WELL AS SOME POSITIVE RESPONSES FROM THAT. I HAVE A LONG TIME MENTEE WHO IS A COUNSELLOR OF THE (... INDISCERNIBLE) -- SHE CAN SPEAK FOR HERSELF -- BUT SHE'S RECENTLY CALLED OUT STRUCTURAL RACISM AS IT AFFECTS FRONTLINE WORKERS IN HER PARTICULAR CITY IN THE GTA AND THAT PRESSURE. SO HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT, KADON? HOW DO YOU KEEP GOING CALLING OUT WHAT'S WRONG, STILL KEEPING POSITIVE AND CHANNELLING THAT IMPATIENCE YOU MENTIONED? (LAUGHTER). YOU KNOW WHAT DOES IT FOR YOU? KADON DOUGLAS: COMMUNITY, RAGE AND THE OFFICE (LAUGHTER) SO THAT'S WHAT REALLY KEEPS ME -- I HAVE A REALLY GREAT COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE BEHIND ME. PEOPLE WHO, WHO WILL LISTEN. WHO MAKE SPACE, WHO MAKE SPACE FOR ME TO SHARE AS WELL AND WHO, WHO ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT MY SELF CARE SO I REALLY APPRECIATE, REALLY APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE HAVING THAT. I ALSO -- I'M ALSO VERY DRIVEN BY MY LOVE FOR COMMUNITY IN KEEPING REALLY -- I REALLY STAY FOCUSSED ON WHO THIS IS FOR KNOWING THAT THIS IS A MARATHON AND NOT A SPRINT. SO KEEPING MYSELF FOCUSSED IN THAT WAY AND ALSO GRANTING GRACE, GRANTING GRACE AT TIMES TO KNOW WHEN TO STEP BACK AS WELL, AND EVEN COMING INTO TODAY LIKE I HAD ALREADY LIKE THREE VERY TESTY CONVERSATIONS AROUND THAT ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE WORLD, AND THEN I SAY "RAGE" BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT KEEPS ME -- I FULLY EMBRACE, EMBRACE THAT. I AM, I AM A BLACK WOMAN. I AM ANGRY BUT I, I LEAN INTO THE WORDS OF ONE OF MY FAVOURITE PEOPLE AUDREY WORTH (PHONETIC) WHERE SHE WROTE, WHERE SHE WROTE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ABOUT THE USES OF, THE USES OF ANGER AND HOW WE CAN USE OUR ANGER AS FUEL FOR OUR WORK; HOW WE CAN TAP INTO THAT TO USE IT AS SOMETHING REALLY POSITIVE AND THAT'S WHAT I CHANNEL EACH DAY. I, I USE THAT TO SAY OKAY WHAT CAN I DO -- WHAT CAN WE DO DIFFERENTLY? HOW CAN WE SHIFT THINGS? HOW CAN WE GROW, HOW CAN WE GROW AND SUSTAIN OURSELVES IN THIS INDUSTRY AS WELL? SO MY ANSWER FOR THAT IS COMMUNITY RAGE AND I STAY IN THE OFFICE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I GO BACK TO EVERY TIME WHEN I NEED SOME DOWNTIME JUST REWATCH IT EVERY YEAR TO LAUGH AND SIT BACK AND ESCAPE. DR. DAVID WHEELER: THAT'S EXCELLENT REFLECTIONS AND EXCELLENT WISDOM. THANK YOU, KADON. I'M SURE WE ALL ENJOYED YOU DESCRIBING HOW YOU NAVIGATE ALL THIS STUFF. STAY POSITIVE. (... INDISCERNIBLE). THERE ARE VARIOUS QUESTIONS NOW COMING THROUGH. ONE COULD BE FOR THIAGO AND TOUCHING MAYBE ON YOUR OWN HISTORY, THIAGO, AND THE HISTORY OF PEOPLE YOU KNOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR STUDENTS COMING TO CANADA -- INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS PERHAPS COMING TO CANADA AND FORGING CAREERS IN THIS SECTOR? AND I DO (... INDISCERNIBLE) TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE -- WHO LIVE IN CANADA THEIR ENTIRE LIVES. THIAGO CARNEIRO: I'M GOING TO SAY FIRST BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE A BACKGROUND NOISE THAT SOMEONE COULDN'T GRASP SO I'M SORRY FOR THAT IN ADVANCE. YEAH, MY EXPERIENCE -- I'M A FIRST GENERATION IMMIGRANT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SAY IN CANADA. I IMMIGRATED TO CANADA EIGHT YEARS AGO. I DON'T HAVE ANY FAMILY LEFT SO I'M BASICALLY BY MYSELF. I DIDN'T KNOW ANYONE IN CANADA WHEN I CAME. I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT OF ENGLISH ALONG THE WAY AND THE PROCESS WAS NOT EASY. IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY HARD. IT'S PROBABLY THE HARDEST THING I HAVE EVER DONE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT MIGHT BE HARDER THAN THIS WOULD BE MAYBE BENG A FATHER AND HAVING A FAMILY, AND NOW I'M ACTUALLY TEACHING AT SENECA COLLEGE IN THE SAME PROGRAM WHERE I WAS A STUDENT ONCE AND I AM RELIVING ALL THE EXPERIENCES THAT I HAD GOING THROUGH THE IMMIGRATION PROCESS AND I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU AN ORIGINAL STORY. FROM MY CLASS MOST WERE INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS AND I MADE ALL THOSE FRIENDSHIPS KNOWING NO ONE IN CANADA AND BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS SO COMPLICATED, SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO STAY AND WORK IN CANADA, HAVE A WORK EXPERIENCE HERE -- YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT CANADA IS A HUB, RIGHT, FOR THIS KIND OF, OF WORK. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PLACES IN THE WORLD THAT HAVE THIS. RIGHT. SO FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S A DREAM IN THEIR LIVES AND ALL MY CLASSMATES END UP GOING AWAY SO I MADE FRIENDS AND LOST ALL MY FRIENDS IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO, TO DO -- GET THE WORK VISA AND STAY IN CANADA TO WORK AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME CRITICISM FROM SOME (... INDISCERNIBLE) PEOPLE IN CANADA. THIS IS LIKE A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO IMMIGRATE TO CANADA BUT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S NOT. IT'S JUST A WAY TO GET WORK EXPERIENCE THAT'S MEANINGFUL AND, AND COME BACK TO THEIR COUNTRIES AND HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES, RIGHT. FOR ME I TRAVELLED A LOT IN CANADA. I ENDED UP STAYING. I REALLY WANTED TO WORK AT A COMPANY THAT I AM RIGHT NOW. IT WAS, IT WAS MY DREAM AND BEING A TEACHER NOW SEEMED -- THE, THE HOOPS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO JUMP THROUGH -- WE SHOULD HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT TORONTO IS BECOMING A HUB FOR THIS AND WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN CANADA RIGHT NOW FOR THIS, RIGHT. WE, WE NEED WAY MORE AND I THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE IN CANADA ALREADY THAT WANT TO JOIN AND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME TO CANADA TO DO IT. BEING PART OF A PROCESS TO FIGHT AND KNOWING PEOPLE ALL ACROSS THE WORLD, ALL ACROSS CULTURE IS SOMETHING SO RICH THAT CANADA ONLY STANDS TO WIN IF THAT PROCESS WAS A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THE STUDENTS. I WANTED TO SAY JUST ONE THING. IT HAS TO DEAL WITH THIS BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE -- TO MAKE THE POINT ACROSS OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE HERE RIGHT NOW IN CANADA WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND BECOMING LIKE A HUB. THE NAME OF THIS, OF THIS PANEL IS HOLLYWOOD 2.0. RIGHT. THAT'S LIKE WHEN PEOPLE CALL THIS IS HOLLYWOOD NORTH. I THINK TO, TO MAKE -- TO MAKE THE POINT ACROSS, TO MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A CHANCE RIGHT NOW TO MAKE ONE DAY THE NEXT TIME THAT WE GET ALL TOGETHER, WE ALL OBJECT THAT WE TRACE HERE RIGHT NOW AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO CHANGE AND THE POSITIVE IMPACT WE WANT TO MAKE. IN A FEW YEARS FROM NOW TO MAKE ANOTHER CALL AND THEN, AND THEN HAVE PEOPLE BACK IN U.S. SAYING, OH, THIS IS TORONTO SOUTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS, THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT -- THE MASS POSITIVE EFFECT THAT WE CAN DO. LIKE I REALLY WANT TO GET RID OF THIS HOLLYWOOD 2.0 NORTH THEME AND THEN STATE TO THE FACT THAT TORONTO IS THE NEXT BIG THING AND I THINK THE WORKFORCE AND SPECIALIZED TRAINING FOR PEOPLE IN CANADA, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO CANADA IS GOING TO PLAY A HUGE ROLE IN THAT. IF WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN, IT'S GOING TO BE AMAZING. I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. DR. DAVID WHEELER: YES, IT DOES, THIAGO, AND ALSO YOU RAISED A VERY INTERESTING ISSUE BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE INVOLVED IN POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION, AGAIN, POLICY MAKERS WHO ARE PART OF THIS WEBINAR WHO ARE LISTENING PERHAPS COULD -- ARE A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THAT IT'S NOT QUITE SO EASY TO IMMIGRATE AND EMBED YOURSELF IN CANADA BECAUSE USUALLY IN CANADA WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON, ON HAVING ONE OF A MORE LIBERAL APPROACHES TO STUDENTS STAYING AFTER GRADUATION AND SO ON. THIAGO CARNEIRO: THAT WAS ONE OF MY SHOCKS -- I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. THAT WAS ONE OF MY BIGGEST SHOCKS WHEN I IMMIGRATED. WHEN I DECIDED TO COME TO CANADA I LITERALLY GOOGLED BEST COUNTRY TO WORK, QUALITY LIFE, (... INDISCERNIBLE), RAISING A FAMILY AND WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY IN TV AND GAMES AND CANADA WAS AT THE TOP AND I CAME. I PUT ALL MY TIME, ALL MY LOVE, ALL MY, MY EFFORT. THAT'S A LOT FINANCIALLY TO COME HERE AND THE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN AMAZING. I HAVE ONLY GOOD THINGS TO TALK ABOUT CANADA. I THINK IT'S AN AMAZING COUNTRY BUT ON THE IMMIGRATION PROCESS THEME I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THIS. I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF STUDENTS GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW. IT'S, IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. IT COULD HAVE BEEN EASIER AND THERE'S NOT A -- LIKE I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASY FOR PEOPLE IMMIGRATING THAT'S GOING TO COMPETE WITH CANADIANS BUT THE REALITIES RIGHT NOW -- AND THIS IS WHY I AM MAKING THE POINT OF HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW ONE DAY AS TORONTO SOUTH. THERE'S SO MANY JOBS. THERE'S GOING TO BE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES. EVERYONE CAN, CAN HAVE A PART OF BUY-IN. I THINK THIS IS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY NOT ONLY DEVELOP TORONTO BUT DEVELOP THE WHOLE COUNTRY. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THE PLACES IN ONTARIO BECOMING HUBS TOO. I THINK TORONTO IS READY. A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENING HERE BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SMALL TOWNS AROUND TORONTO, RIGHT. WE CAN START DEVELOPING, CREATING JOBS EVERYWHERE. DR. DAVID WHEELER: THE MATERIAL AND THE CONTENT, THE TRAINING WHEN IT COMES TO TALENT PLACEMENT AND PERHAPS I'LL BRING JEFF IN. JEFF, JEFF YOU HAD A FEW THINGS THAT YOU THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO WORK ON IN TERMS OF CAPITAL BUT OF COURSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE -- IF LONG AND SHORT-TERM RETRAINING AND SKILLS BUILDING REQUIRED FOR THE, FOR THE RESILIENT RECOVERY IS BASED ON MICROCREDENTIALS, HOW CAN STUDENTS GET LOANS IF THEY NEED LOANS OR SHOULD THEY BE MADE FREE? HOW, HOW, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT NO ONE IS HELD BACK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE A MICROCREDENTIAL WHICH MY COMING INTO THE FILM INDUSTRY SAID? IS THAT COMING UP IN YOUR WORLD, YOU KNOW, THE SHORT CYCLE TRAINING WHICH SPEAK TO OUR (... INDISCERNIBLE) RECOMMENDED AND SENECA IS LEADING THE WAY ON MUCH OF THAT? IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO IMAGINE MASS SCALE TAKEUP OF MICROCREDENTIALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE GOT TO FILL THE GAPS IN SHORT TERM WHILST WE WAIT FOR FILM SCHOOLS IN THE TWO AND THREE YEAR PROGRAMS TO GENERATE (... INDISCERNIBLE) GRADUATES? JEFF MELANSON: THAT'S, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION, DAVID, AND I, I HAVE SERVED -- I HAVE TWO RESPONSES TO IT. ONE WHICH IS WHAT I SHOULD SAY AND ONE WHICH IS WHAT I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY BUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I LIKE TO -- I'M NOT AFRAID OF BEING PROVOCATIVE. I GUESS I WOULDN'T SAY -- I DON'T THINK MICROCREDENTIALS ARE A STOPGAP. I THINK THAT THEY ARE THE FUTURE OF EDUCATION. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE INCREASINGLY SMALL BATCHES JUST BECAUSE OF THE PACE OF CHANGE AROUND THINGS LIKE TECHNOLOGY. THIS PRODUCER I WAS TALKING TO YESTERDAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE CREATED A FILM LAST YEAR THAT WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE ONE MONTH BEFORE WE SHOT IT. LIKE THAT IS FAST PACE CHANGE, RIGHT, IN TERMS OF TECHNOLOGY AND WHERE I THINK THE CHALLENGES FOR POST-SECONDARIES IS IT USED TO BE, YOU KNOW, YOU DO A FOUR YEAR DEGREE OR 12 MONTHS, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE THE WORLD CHANGED AND YOU NEEDED TO RETRAIN AND THAT TIME IS JUST COMPRESSED. RIGHT. LIKE I THINK SOMEONE TOLD ME JUST YEARS AGO THAT THE (... INDISCERNIBLE) FOR AN ENGINEERING DEGREE USED TO BE 18 YEARS AND NOW IT'S TWO YEARS. SO LIKE WITH EIGHTEEN YEARS OF GRADUATION IT USED TO BE HALF OF WHAT YOU LEARNED IS PROBABLY NO LONGER TRUE AND NOW IT'S TWO YEARS SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEED UP AND PROBABLY ADAPT AS A SOCIETY TO RECOGNIZE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE RETRAINING AND RETOOLING ON AN ONGOING BASIS. LIKE THIS IDEA OF DOING A DEGREE BEING DONE WHEN YOU'RE 22, 23 AND THAT'S IT AND THEN YOU FEEL LIKE FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS YOU KIND OF JUST HAVE A BIT OF A RUNWAY IS, IS NOT, NOT THE CASE. IN TERMS OF MAKING THESE THINGS AFFORDABLE -- YOUR OTHER PART OF THE QUESTION -- I, I THINK OF A COUPLE OF THINGS WE NEED TO DO. I THINK THE MICROCREDENTIALS ARE A VERY GOOD TOOL. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZED AS MUCH AS THEY CAN BE. I THINK THERE IS A ROLE FOR GOVERNMENT IN THAT AND I THINK YOU ARE SEEING GOVERNMENT STEP INTO THAT IN A GOOD WAY. I THINK THE OTHER PIECE -- I'D, I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR KADON'S THOUGHTS ON THIS BUT I THINK A BIG, BIG SHOCKING -- I'LL GIVE -- I'LL USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE. COVID HIT LAST YEAR. WE DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD DO ANYTHING WITH THE TORONTO DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD BECAUSE OF ALL THE LOCKDOWNS WE HAD TO DEAL WITH AND WE CREATED A VIRTUAL CO-OP WHERE I REACHED OUT TO SOME REALLY, REALLY PROMINENT PEOPLE LIKE THE CEO OF UNIVERSAL MUSIC, FOR EXAMPLE, DID A PRESENTATION THIS WEEK. WE'VE GOT (... INDISCERNIBLE) NEXT WEEK. EVERYBODY SAID YES. YOU KNOW THE IDEA OF GIVING BACK TO YOUNG TALENT. LIKE 100% SUCCESS RATE. I'M LIKE, WOW, THIS IS INCREDIBLE AND I STARTED TO THINK, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE DOING SIMILAR WORK TO WHAT KADON DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOCIAL CAPITAL IS SO MUCH OF THE MISSING PIECE HERE. LIKE WHAT -- IF 100% OF PEOPLE WANT TO HELP, AND WE HAVE THE SOCIAL GAP, MAYBE WE NEED BEYOND JUST MICROCREDENTIALS TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE MATCH MAKE BETWEEN SEASONED EXECUTIVES AND DEVELOP MORE OF A LARGER SCALE PLATFORM TO HELP WITH MENTORSHIP OF YOUNG TALENT AND WHETHER THAT'S FROM A DIVERSITY STANDPOINT -- WHAT THIAGO SAYS ABOUT INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS IS RIGHT. IT'S BORDERLINE CRIMINAL THAT WE CHARGE PEOPLE THAT KIND OF TUITION AND THEN BRING THEM HERE AND DON'T HELP THEM, YOU KNOW, BETTER LAND ON THEIR FEET IN CANADA. I THINK WE, WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF ONE-ON-ONE MENTORSHIP THAN WE'RE DOING BECAUSE I, I ACTUALLY REALLY BELIEVE WE'RE MISSING A SOCIAL CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR ROLE IN BUILDING A BETTER WORLD. LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BECOME EXPERTS AT WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE WORLD AND THERE'S A LOT WRONG WITH THE WORLD IF YOU WANT TO SIT IN THAT YOU CAN DO THAT THE REST OF YOUR LIFE BUT IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY BUILDING TRANSFORMATIVE CHANGE AND STARTING SMALL, I THINK THE ONE TO ONE CONNECTION IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE MORE OF SO I DON'T KNOW. KADON, ARE YOU, ARE YOU FINDING -- I'M SURE SOCIAL GAPS, LITTLE GAPS IS A -- KADON DOUGLAS: YES. JEFF MELANSON: -- BIG PART OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT? KADON DOUGLAS: YES THAT HAS BEEN A, THAT HAS BEEN A BIG TOPIC FOR ME FOR MANY YEARS NOW. IN MY WORK AS A WOMAN IN FILM AND TELEVISION WHERE PEOPLE WOULD ASK WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF JOINING? THEN I WOULD SAY THE SOCIAL CAPITAL PIECE. JOINING THE ORGANIZATION YOU HAD ACCESS TO ABOUT -- YOU HAD ACCESS TO ALMOST 1,000 -- 1,000 OTHER WOMEN AT VARIOUS LEVELS OF THE INDUSTRY, AND BRINGING IT NOW TO OUR ORGANIZATION TO -- THAT IS WHAT WE DO IN TERMS OF CONNECTING PEOPLE. SO IN -- FOR OUR PROGRAMMING WE MAKE SURE THAT MENTORS ARE INVOLVED IN THAT. THE LAST (... INDISCERNIBLE) RIGHT NOW WITH OUR BLACK AND INDIGENOUS DRAMA WRITING -- DRAMA WRITING INTENSIVE AND WITH THAT WE MATCH ALL EIGHT OF THE EMERGING WRITERS IN THE PROGRAM WITH MENTORS WHO ARE SHOW RUNNERS, WHO ARE EXPERIENCED WRITERS IN OUR INDUSTRY. WE ALSO BROUGHT IN GUEST SPEAKERS FROM HERE AND FROM THE -- AND FROM THE U.S. SO THEN THEY CAN CONNECT WITH THEM AND BUILD AND BUILD THEIR COMMUNITY AS WELL. WHAT WE SEE COMING OUT OF THAT IS THE PARTICIPANTS GETTING OPPORTUNITIES DIRECTLY FROM THESE MENTORS WHO ARE LIKE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHADOW? ARE YOU AVAILABLE FOR WORK? AND THEY'RE ABLE TO BUILD THAT WAY. THEY ALSO GOT A CHANCE TO CONNECT WITH EACH OTHER. SO THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING SO THAT IN EVERY PROGRAMMING THAT WE, THAT WE RUN WE ENSURE THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PARTICIPANTS TO EXPAND THEIR NETWORK. OUR INDUSTRY IS VERY INSULAR. IT'S STILL ABOUT WHO YOU KNOW AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHO KNOWS YOU. THAT'S WHAT REALLY DRIVES IT RIGHT NOW. EVEN WITH HIREBIPOC, WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS STILL THE PRODUCERS/EMPLOYERS ARE REACHING OUT TO US FOR A SHORT LIST OF CANDIDATES THAT WE RECOMMEND. THAT AS MUCH AS WE HAVE CREATED THIS DATABASE OF OVER 5,000 PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE STILL ASKING FOR THAT PERSONAL, PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION, AND SO WE STILL SEE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE SOCIAL CAPITAL TO BUILD THAT, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FACILITATING NOW IS ACCESS TO IT, YOU KNOW. WHO, WHO IS FIRST IN LINE FOR THAT AS WELL? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE EXPLORING -- THAT WE'RE EXPLORING (... INDISCERNIBLE) TO ENSURE IT'S AT THE FRONT OF IT AND WHAT I ALSO SAW AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS EVEN SEEING HOW TRAINING WORKS IN OUR INDUSTRY, AND EVEN ACCESS TO THAT AS WELL, AND I SPOKE ABOUT THAT INTERNSHIP, MENTORSHIP, FELLOWSHIP COMPONENT EARLIER WHERE USUALLY YOU DO NEED TO HAVE A -- MOST INTERNS ARE UNPAID BUT THEY REQUIRE SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME THAT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE EXTRA TIME TO DO PAID WORK TO SUPPORT THAT. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING IN TERMS OF CREATING SOLUTIONS AROUND THAT TO ENSURE THAT INTERNSHIPS ARE PAID? THAT WE'RE PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT PEOPLE'S CAREER DEVELOPMENT SO THEY CAN HAVE THE CHANCE TO ACCESS THE MENTORSHIP AND THE TRAINING AS THEY'RE GROWING THEIR CAREER. SO THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW IN JUST SUPPORTING PEOPLE IN THAT WAY, AND THEN ALSO PROVIDING THEM WITH THE SKILLS, THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED SO THEY CAN ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEY CAN NEGOTIATE AS WELL AND NAVIGATE THIS, THIS INDUSTRY IN AN EMPOWERED MANNER. DR. DAVID WHEELER: VERY IMPORTANT POINTS AGAIN, KADON, AND JEFF -- JEFF, YOU ALSO HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY ABOUT REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE ROLE OF COLLEGES IN SMALLER TOWNS AND THIS WAS A POINT ALSO THAT THIAGO MENTIONED. YOU KNOW IT'S GREAT TO HAVE A HUB IN TORONTO BUT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE HUBS AND SPOKES IN MANY PLACES AND SAY -- HOW DO YOU SEE THIS UNFOLDING, JEFF? JEFF MELANSON: WELL I THINK THAT'S PART OF THAT EXPLOSIVE GROUP THAT I DESCRIBED HAS CREATED OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE MORE REGIONAL THAN HISTORICALLY THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN EXPLOITED I WOULD SAY. WHEN YOU TALK TO A LOT OF COLLEGE STUDENTS WHICH WE HAVE. WE HAVE BEEN TO ALL THE COLLEGES IN ONTARIO THAT HAVE MAYBE OUR DESIGN PROGRAMS. A LOT OF THEM PRESUME THEY HAVE TO MOVE TO TORONTO AFTER THEY'RE DONE, AND WHAT COVID HAS DONE BECAUSE SO MUCH OF VISUAL EFFECTS OF POST-PRODUCTION HAS BEEN DONE OUT OF PEOPLE'S HOMES, WHERE YOU'RE PHYSICALLY LOCATED -- SOME OF THE WORK HAS TO BE ONSITE BUT A LOT OF IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ONSITE SO THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR CANADA TO LEVERAGE OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK FOR A LOT OF CREATIVES THERE'S AN AFFORDABILITY OPPORTUNITY IN SMALLER COMMUNITIES AND A LOT OF THE COLLEGES THAT ARE -- WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE POST-SECONDARY NETWORK ACROSS CANADA. USING THOSE COLLEGES, WHICH THEY ALREADY ARE INCREDIBLE ENGINES FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH AND JOB CREATION, BUT REALLY THINKING ABOUT HOW WE BUILD THE REGIONAL ECONOMY I THINK PROVIDES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY, QUICKLY BRING UP SOMETHING ELSE WHICH IS CANADA -- A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THIS ALREADY -- CANADA HAS THE LARGEST COLLECTION OF CO-PRODUCTION TREATIES IN THE WORLD SO THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO BREAK THE FILM PROJECT INTO MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS AND DO PORTIONS OF IT BE IT POST-PRODUCTIONS, VISUAL EFFECTS PRODUCTION IN CANADA AND HAVE PARTNER COUNTRY, I THINK WE CAN LEVERAGE THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY OF CANADA AND BUILD WAY MORE ROBUST SORT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR TALENT THAN WE HAVE AND, AND PART OF IT I THINK WHAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US IS IT'S PARTIALLY ABOUT CREATING AND TRAINING PATHWAYS FOR ARTISTS, FOR YOUNG PEOPLE INTO PRE-EXISTING JOBS BUT ALSO PROVIDING THE CREATIVE ENTREPRENEURSHIP TRAINING FOR HOW THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO MANAGE TOTALLY NEW ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES. WE ACTUALLY NEED YOUNG TALENT IN ADDITION TO FILLING WORKFORCE GAPS TO DEVELOP THE FUTURE SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY FOR COLLEGES ALL ACROSS CANADA. DR. DAVID WHEELER: COOL. THANK YOU, JEFF, AND AGAIN WE STILL HAVE A FEW MINUTES LEFT FOR ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM PARTICIPANTS. I SAW THAT ONE CAME IN ON FESTIVALS INDUSTRY AND THAT WAS DEALT WITH BY KURT. THANK YOU, KURT, FOR THAT. IF ANYONE HAS ANY FINAL QUESTIONS AMONGST OUR PARTICIPANTS TODAY - DO USE THE Q&A FUNCTION ASAP. MEANWHILE I HAD A QUESTION FOR ALL THREE OF OUR PANELISTS WHICH PERHAPS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETE THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS WITHIN 30 SECONDS OR LESS WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, OFTEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GREEN OR WE SAY RECOVERY, WHAT COMES TO PEOPLE'S MINDS, YOU KNOW, RENEWABLE ENERGY AND, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABLE FOOD AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AND, AND TYPICALLY NOT THE CREATIVE INDUSTRIES. I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THIS AS WELL. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S -- I CAN REALLY (... INDISCERNIBLE) FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S PURE GREEN PLAY OR PURE SOCIAL PLAY. IT'S ABOUT THE SECTOR THAT'S GOING PLACES TECHNOLOGICALLY AND CREATIVELY AND SO ON THAT CAN ALSO DO THAT IN A LOWER CARB, LOWER CARB AND THAT ARE MORE (... INDISCERNBILE) IN A MORE SUSTAINABLE WAY AND CERTAINLY IN A MORE SOCIALLY INCLUSIVE WAY SO (... INDISCERNIBLE) ALL THREE OF OUR PANELISTS HAVE BEEN -- HOW DO WE GET THE CREATIVE INDUSTRIES -- THE FILM INDUSTRY IN PARTICULAR TO BE SEEN AS A BIG PLAYER IN THE RESPONSE THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO (... INDISCERNIBLE) SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY? SO MAYBE I'LL START WITH THIAGO NOW. THIAGO CARNEIRO: YEAH. I STRONGLY BELIEVE THE VIRTUAL PRODUCTIONS. ONE OF JUST MANY, MANY ALTERNATIVES FOR THAT DO -- NOT ONLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS TIME THAT WE HAVE SOCIAL DISTANCING AND THE PROTOCOLS ARE IN PLACE TO BE SAFE FOR EVERYONE BUT ALSO TO MAKE THE IMPACT ENVIRONMENT LAST. RIGHT. WE CAN, WE CAN -- WE DON'T REALLY NEED AT THE MOMENT RIGHT NOW TO GO TO ANTARCTICA TO FILM A SHOW. WE CAN DO THAT IN HERE. RIGHT. WE CAN DO THAT IN A SMALL TOWN CLOSE TO TORONTO AND JUST IMAGINE LIKE HOW, HOW EXPENSIVE ACROSS (... INDISCERNIBLE) TO JUST MAKE A WHOLE CREW OF 30 PEOPLE TO TRAVEL BY PLANE AND THEN BY, BY -- I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAY I HOPE TO GET TO ANTARCTICA. RIGHT. BUT THE IMPACT WOULD BE MASSIVE AND WE, WE CAN JUST DO THAT CHANGE HERE AND I THINK IT WILL BE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF CANADIAN POLITICIANS AND THE, THE LEADERS IN THE SEGMENT -- IN THE CORPORATE (... INDISCERNIBLE) TOO TO STEEP OUT THE, THE EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT CANADA IS THE LEADING EFFORT ON THAT -- ON THE (... INDISCERNIBLE). RIGHT NOW IT'S UP FOR GRABS. I THINK CANADA IS LEADING ALREADY BUT WE CAN DO SO MUCH MORE AND I KEEP SAYING THAT -- I KNOW THAT IT'S A SILLY COMMENT TO SAY THAT WE, WE CAN MAKE HOLLYWOOD ONE DAY (... INDISCERNIBLE) TORONTO HOLLYWOOD SOUTH BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE MINDSET. WHY AIM FOR EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE IS ALAREADY DOING WHEN WE CAN BE A, A NEW HUB IN THE WORLD? WE'RE TALKING HERE THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS AND MAKE TORONTO SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER BEEN BEFORE. IT HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL, RIGHT, AND DEFINITELY THE INITIATIVES OF MAKING SURE, OF MAKING SURE THAT THE ENVIRONMENT IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF I THINK IS IN EVERYONE'S MIND AND INCREASE THE RATIO (PHONETIC) WITH THE TECHNOLOGY BEING DEVELOPED TOO. DR. DAVID WHEELER: THANKS -- THANK YOU, THIAGO. AGAIN VERY BRIEFLY, JEFF, AND THEN WE'LL GIVE THE FINAL WORD TO KADON. JEFF MELANSON: I'LL BE -- I JUST WOULD SAY THE THREE THINGS I THINK YOU COULD DO BUILD FORM. LIKE WE HAVE -- REALLY LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THAT OUR BUILD FORM IS MINDFUL OF BEST PRACTICES IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN. WE HAVE, WE HAVE ARCHITECTS TO DO THAT. LIKE THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT AND WE'RE, WE'RE NOT A PARTICULARLY -- YOU KNOW THE TRADITIONAL FILM INDUSTRY INFRASTRUCTURE WAS NOT PARTICULARLY ENVIRONMENTALLY OFF BUT I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO ENHANCE THAT. SECOND WOULD BE DEVELOPING A DOMESTIC INDUSTRY. LIKE REALLY DEVELOPING A DOMESTIC INDUSTRY. OBVIOUSLY THIAGO COVERED LEVERAGING THE PRODUCTION TECHNOLOGIES BUT THE MORE WE CAN DO CLOSER TO HOME THE BETTER FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERY INDUSTRY SO I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THEN I THINK THIAGO'S POINT ABOUT TORONTO BEING A HUB IN AND OF ITSELF IS A GOOD ONE AND I, I THINK IN MUSIC WE HAVE DONE THAT. I THINK DRAKE HAS HELPED TO DO THAT, THE WEEKEND HAS HELPED DO THAT. THE WHOLE MUSIC COMMUNITY HAS DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF REPOSITIONING TORONTO AS A, AS A MAJOR CENTER CREATIVELY. WE CAN DO THAT FOR FILM AND WE CANNOT FORGET THAT AT SOME POINT HOLLYWOOD WASN'T HOLLYWOOD. YOU KNOW ASPEN -- TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE ASPEN WAS AN ABANDONED MINING TOWN IN 1955 AND PEOPLE HAD THE IDEA TO DO SOMETHING. LIKE IT TAKES PEOPLE IDEAS, GOVERNMENT SUPPORT, ENERGY. WE CAN GET THAT AND I'M 100% BEHIND THIAGO'S MASTER PLAN FOR TORONTO. (LAUGHTER). DR. DAVID WHEELER: THANK YOU, JEFF. KADON. KADON DOUGLAS: YES. I'M JUST ECHOING JEFF IN TERMS OF THE GREATER INVESTMENT IN DOMESTIC, DOMESTIC CONTENT CREATION AND IN THE -- AND IN LOCAL -- AND LOCAL TALENT AS WELL. WE HAVE -- WE HAVE SO MANY AMAZING PEOPLE HERE, GREAT STORYTELLERS WHO ARE WAITING FOR THE CHANCE TO GET THEIR STORY GREENLIT SO THEY CAN BE ON OUR SCREENS AS WELL SO WE NEED MORE INVESTMENT IN THAT AND ALSO GREATER -- GREATER INVESTMENT OF MORE FUNDING AND RESOURCE ALLOCATION FOR BIPOC OWN PRODUCTION COMPANIES SO THAT THEY CAN IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE GREEN STRATEGIES AS WELL. I THINK THOSE WOULD BE MY TOP TWO THINGS. YOU KNOW JUST FOR US TO INVEST IN TALENT AND INVEST IN OUR COMPANIES, ENTREPRENEURSHIP AS WELL. DR. DAVID WHEELER: GREAT. THANK YOU, KADON. SO I THINK BASED ON THIS WEBINAR WE WILL OFFICIALLY REDEFINE THE FILM INDUSTRY AS ONE OF THE GREENEST INDUSTRIES IN THE FUTURE FOR CANADA. IF THERE WAS ANY DOUBT ABOUT THAT BEFORE, THERE SHOULD BE NO DOUBT NOW. SO SADLY WE'RE, WE'RE OUT OF TIME BUT I HOPE YOU HAVE ALL ENJOYED THIS WEBINAR. WE DO HAVE MORE WEBINARS TO COME COURTESY OF C2R2 AND THE TEAM AT MOHAWK AND THE OTHER FOUNDING PARTNERS INVOLVED IN PUTTING THESE THINGS TOGETHER. SO I WANT TO SAY A VERY BIG THANK YOU TO OUR PANELISTS. SO A VIRTUAL ROUND OF APPLAUSE TO OUR PANELISTS FOR THEIR AMAZING CONTRIBUTIONS FOR TODAY. THANK YOU ALSO TO OUR SIGNERS -- SARAH AND ROSALIE -- FOR THEIR STELLAR WORK. THANK YOU TO YOU. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE AT MOHAWK AND C2R2 FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE. SENECA - WHAT AN AMAZING COLLEGE YOU ARE AND WHAT AMAZING THINGS YOU'RE DOING NOT JUST IN FILM BUT ACROSS THE SUITE (PHONETIC) IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABILITY SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP TOO. SO WITH THAT I WILL SIGN OFF. I HOPE EVERYONE HAS ENJOYED THIS WEBINAR AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING SOME OF YOU AT FUTURE WEBINARS AND DO CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE RESILIENTCOLLEGES.CA FOR UPDATES ON WHAT C2R2 IS DOING AND ALL ABOUT OUR WONDERFUL COLLEGE PARTNER. SO THANKS AGAIN AND WE WILL SEE YOU SOON. -- 2:30 P.M.