NOTICE TO READER THE FOLLOWING IS A ROUGH DRAFT TRANSCRIPT OF THE PROCEEDINGS AS INDICATED. THIS IS NOT A CERTIFIED VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT, NOR IS IT INTENDED TO BE. THIS IS MERELY A WRITTEN COPY OF COMMUNICATION ACCESS PROVIDED VIA CAPTIONING. IT SHOULD ONLY BE USED AS AN UNEDITED GUIDE FOR THE READER. THIS ROUGH DRAFT TRANSCRIPT MAY NOT BE REPRODUCED OR DISTRIBUTED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. NOTICE TO READER. * * * * UNCERTIFIED ROUGH DRAFT * * * * JUNE 10, 2021 CANADIAN COLLEGES FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY REBUILD: SUPPORTING THE TRANSFORMATION TO ZERO CARBON BUILDINGS PRESENTED BY MOHAWK COLLEGE 1:00 P.M.-2:30 P.M. DAVID WHEELER: BONJOUR ETUDIANTS. GOOD MORNING, GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING TO ALL OF OUR PARTICIPANTS WHEREVER YOU MAY BE IN CANADA OR ACROSS THE GLOBE. MY NAME IS DAVID WHEELER AND I AM THE SUSTAINABILITY ADVISOR TO CANADIAN COLLEGES FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY AND ALSO TO MOHAWK COLLEGE WHICH WE'RE DELIGHTED TO SAY IS THE HOST FOR TODAY'S WEBIBAR WHICH IS REBUILD: SUPPORTING THE TRANSFORMATION TO ZERO CARBON BUILDINGS. THIS IS THE THIRD IN OUR SERIES OF WEBINARS AND THERE WILL BE MORE IN THE FUTURE WHICH SET OUT WHICH WE THINK ARE EXCITING AREAS FOR THE GREEN FOR RESILIENT RECOVERY WHERE THERE IS LOTS OF POTENTIAL FOR GREEN JOBS FOR YOUNG AND OLD LEARNERS IN THE COLLEGES, CEGEPS, INSTITUTES AND POLYTECHNICS SYSTEM TO MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE TO CANADA'S BUILDING BACK BETTER POST-PANDEMIC. SO C2R2 IS A COALITION OF COLLEGES, CEGEPS AND POLYTECHNICS AND INSTITUTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY FROM COAST-TO-COAST TO COAST WHO HAVE COME TOGETHER TO ADVANCE THE CASE FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY FOLLOWING UP ON RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE NATIONAL TASK FORCE FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY FOR CANADA. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE BRINGING YOU THIS WEBINAR. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT CANADIAN COLLEGES FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY, PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE WHICH IS WWW.RESILIENTCOLLEGES.CA WHERE YOU CAN LEARN ABOUT THE FOUNDING PARTNERS OF THE INITIATIVE FROM COAST-TO-COAST TO COAST AND ALSO THE INITIATIVES WE WILL BE TAKING IN TRAINING AND EDUCATION, IN DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS FOR A LOW CARBON ECONOMY, OF COURSE FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FOR LOW CARBON ECONOMY WHICH IS DONE BY MANY, MANY INSTITUTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN CONCERT WITH LOCAL BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY PARTNERS. SO TODAY, AS I MENTIONED, THE SEMINAR IS BEING PRESENTED BY MOHAWK COLLEGE AND WE HAVE A FANTASTIC TEAM BEHIND THE SCENE WHO BROUGHT THIS TOGETHER. ADRIANNE FROM MOHAWK COLLEGE AND COLLEAGUES AMY AND SAMARA. SO THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR WORK FOR BRINGING THIS TOGETHER. WE HAVE A FANTASTIC TURNOUT TODAY SO MANY, MANY PEOPLE ATTENDING THIS WEBINAR. THANK YOU TO OUR STUDENTS THERE. ALSO I WANT TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE SIGNING FOR THIS EVENT DONE BY SARAH AND ERIN. SO THANK YOU TO SARAH AND ERIN. YOU CAN SEE THEIR SMILING FACES AND THEIR EXPERT SIGNING HAPPENING IN FRONT OF US. SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE PRESIDENT RON MCKERLIE FROM MOHAWK COLLEGE TO SAY A FEW WORDS, AND RON HAS BEEN THE DRIVING FORCE BETWEEN BUILDING THE COALITION C2R2, DOING OUTREACH WITH GOVERNMENT MINISTERS AND THEIR STAFF, AND SO ON, SO WE'RE VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE LEADERSHIP THAT RON HAS SHOWN THROUGHOUT THIS INITIATIVE FOR CANADIAN COLLEGES FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY, AND I CAN THINK OF NO ONE BETTER PLACED TO OPEN UP THIS EVENT THAN RON. SO OVER TO YOU RON FOR YOUR INTRODUCTORY REMARKS. RON MCKERLIE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAVID, AND THANK YOU FOR FACILITATING TODAY'S SESSION. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HELLO AND WELCOME TO TODAY'S WEBINAR. I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE CANADIAN COLLEGES FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY COALITION, ALSO KNOWN AS C2R2, AND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR OUR BUILDING BACK BETTER NATIONAL INITIATIVE. C2R2 IS CONFIDENT THAT COLLEGES, CEGEPS, INSTITUTES AND POLYTECHNICS ACROSS CANADA CAN TRAIN AT LEAST 50,000 CANADIANS TO DEVELOP THE SPECIALIZED SKILLS REQUIRED TO WORK IN GROWTH AREAS FOR A LOW-CARBON ECONOMY AND ACHIEVE THE GOALS OUTLINED IN THE FEDERAL BUDGET. CANADA'S BUILDINGS ARE A LEADING BE CONTRIBUTORY TO CLIMATE CHANGE. AS A LEADER IN BUILDING EXCELLENCE MOHAWK COLLEGE UNDERSTANDS THE NEED TO EXPLORE HOW WE TRAIN OUR WORKFORCE TO BUILD BETTER AND SUPPORT TREMENDOUS GROWTH IN CONSTRUCTION, SKILLED TRADES AND ENGINEERING. MOHAWK COLLEGE IS HOME TO OUR REGION'S FIRST ZERO CARBON INSTITUTIONAL BUILDING AND ONE OF THE LARGEST NEAT ZERO BUILDINGS IN CANADA. OPENED IN 2018 WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN HOW TECHNOLOGIES EVOLVE AND ARE CHANGING THE WAY WE BUILD. SIMILAR TO YOU, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM OUR EX-EXPERT PANELISTS TODAY AS THEY EXPLORE THE TRANSFORMATION TO ZERO CARBON BUILDINGS IN CANADA. SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR TUNING IN TODAY'S. I WOULD LIKE TO NOW TAKE A MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE 215 CHILDREN WHOSE REMAINS WERE DISCOVERED ON THE GROUNDS OF THE KAMLOOPS INDIAN RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL IN BRITISH COLUMBIA LAST WEEK. WE HOLD IN OUR HEARTS THESE CHILDREN, THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES. WE ACKNOWLEDGE AND HONOUR THE EXPERIENCES OF ALL SURVIVORS OF RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES WHO ARE COPING WITH THIS NEWS WITH THE DISCOVERY. THIS NEWS SERVES TO REMIND US THAT INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES CONTINUE TO BE RETRAUMATIZED BY THE HISTORIC WRONGS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND ADDRESS THESE WRONGS. MUCH WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE AND C2R2, MOHAWK COLLEGE AND ALL OF THE OTHER FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE COALITION ARE COMMITTED TO BEING ACTIVE PARTNERS IN RECONCILIATION WITH INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES. TODAY WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VIRTUALLY BRING TOGETHER FOLKS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. MOHAWK COLLEGE AND THE LAND IN WHICH I CURRENTLY LIVE ON IS SITUATED ON THE TRADITIONAL TERRITORY OF THE HAUDENOSAUNEE AND ANISHNAABEG WITHIN THE LANDS PROTECTED BY THE DISH WITH ONE SPOON WAMPUM THAT IS CURRENTLY HOME TO MANY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE FROM ACROSS TURTLE ISLAND. THE ACTIONS OF THE CANADIAN COLLEGES FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY PRIORITIZE OUR COMMITMENTS THROUGH TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION IN INCLUSIVITY, EQUITY AND ACCESS. WE ARE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING A PLATFORM FOR THE VOICES OF COMMUNITY, INDUSTRY, EMPLOYERS AND STUDENTS THREW OUT THE WORK WE DO. AS SUCH I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME ARIA D'ALIMONTE WHO JUST RECENTLY FINISHED OFF HER FINAL SEMESTER IN THE RECREATION THERAPY PROGRAM AT MOHAWK COLLEGE. ARIA IS PART OF THE SIX NATIONS TURTLE CLAN AND A SUSTAINABILITY STUDENT LEADER AT MOHAWK. WE HAVE INVITED HER TODAY TO SAY A FEW WORDS. WELCOME ARIA AND CONGRATULATIONS ON FINISHING YOUR PROGRAM. ARIA D'ALIMONTE: THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION. AS STATED I AM A RECENT GRAD OF THE RECREATION THERAPY PROGRAM AT MOHAWK COLLEGE. I SPENT A LOT OF MY TIME AT MOHAWK NOT ONLY LEARNING FROM MY PROGRAM BUT VOLUNTEERING PRETTY MUCH WHEREVER I GOT THE CHANCE FROM WORKING WITH THE INDIGENOUS EDUCATION AND STUDENT SERVICES CENTER TO BE -- SORRY ABOUT THAT -- WHERE I WAS AN ADVOCATE FOR INDIGENOUS STUDENTS FOR THE MSA STUDENT COMMITTEE TO HELPING LAUNCH THE COMMUNITY GARDEN ON CAMPUS TO GROWING AS A STUDENT LEADER THROUGH MOHAWK COLLEGES LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, I CAN SAFELY SAY THAT THE WORK BEING DONE HERE HAS BEEN EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBER AND ADVOCATE THAT I AM TODAY. GROWING UP ON RESERVE MEANT THAT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN AND BE IMMERSED IN MY CULTURE. WHEN I GOT TO MOHAWK, I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ALLOWED ME TO CONNECT WITH THE LAND AND MY CULTURE THROUGH THE SUPPORTS OFFERED BY THE COLLEGE'S SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT, THE COMMUNITY GARDEN AND THE INDIGENOUS EDUCATION AND STUDENT SERVICES CENTER. THROUGHOUT MY COLLEGE CAREER, I WAS ABLE TO REACH MY EDUCATIONAL AND MY SUSTAINABILITY GOALS AND LEARN AND BE IMMERSED IN MY CULTURE. SORRY. I JUST LOST MY SPOT. I ENGAGED IN MY CULTURE AND TEACHINGS BECAUSE OF THE PATHWAYS CARVED OUT BY THOSE BEFORE ME. I WAS ABLE TO LEARN AND GROW IN A HEALTHY AND SUPPORTED ENVIRONMENT. BEING AN URBAN INDIGENOUS WOMAN TODAY CAN BE TRICKY TO NAVIGATE AT TIMES BUT I AM IMPRESSED BY THE WORK OF THE C2R2 COALITION AND THE WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING TO PROVIDE VALUABLE INFORMATION, EDUCATION AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR LEARNERS FROM ALL CORNERS OF CANADA. THE WORK THAT THE C2R2 IS DOING TO CREATE EQUITABLE PATHWAYS TO EDUCATION FOR RURAL INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES CREATES A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR MANY INDIVIDUALS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OTHERWISE. SEEING UNDER REPRESENTED POPULATIONS HAVE THE CHANCE TO BE HEARD AND INCLUDED IN INITIATIVES LIKE THIS. IT IS A BIG STEP FORWARD AND ONE THAT MEANS A LOT TO ME. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN TODAY AND SIMILAR TO MANY OF YOU, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE PANELISTS TO LEARN HOW WE CAN BUILD A BETTER TOMORROW TO SUPPORT A LOW-CARBON FUTURE AND ULTIMATELY PROTECT OUR MORE EARTH HERE ON TURTLE ISLAND. DAVID WHEELER: WELL THANK YOU ARIA AND RON FOR YOUR OPENING REMARKS. ARIA, THOSE WERE VERY COMPELLING WORDS AND EVERYTHING THAT C2R2 DOES OF COURSE IS TO SUPPORT STUDENTS LIKE YOU IN THEIR FUTURE, LIFE OPPORTUNITIES. SO IT'S WONDERFUL TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY AND I'M SURE WE WILL HEAR MUCH MORE FROM YOU IN THE FUTURE AS AN INDIGENOUS WOMAN LEADER WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY PASSION. SO I AM SURE WE WILL BE HEARING MUCH MORE FROM YOU AS THE YEARS GO BY AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO LEARNING HOW YOU GET UP TO AND HOW YOUR CAREER BLOSSOMS FROM HERE WHICH I'M SURE WITH THE ONGOING SUPPORT OF MOHAWK COLLEGE. SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR SEMINAR. AS RON MENTIONED, BUILDINGS ARE A MAJOR SOURCE OF (... INDISCERNIBLE) MOHAWK HAS PARTICULAR EX-EXPERTISE IN THIS TOPIC WHICH IS WHY IT'S HOSTING THIS PARTICULAR WEBINAR. SOMETHING AROUND 12% OF ALL CANADA'S TOTAL GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS -- SO THERE IS A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK TO BE DOING IN RETROFITTING, REDESIGNING NEW BUILDINGS, MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS MUCH OF OUR -- DOMESTIC HOUSING OR INSTITUTIONAL BUILDINGS, GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS -- HAS TO BE ZERO CARBON GOING FORWARD. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS OF ALL TOPICS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE RECENT FEDERAL BUDGET, BUILDING RETROFITS -- WERE REALLY TOP OF THE LIST AND WE CAN EXPECT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO FLOW INTO PURSUING THE GOAL OF ZERO EMISSIONS BUILDINGS AND, OF COURSE, LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONIES -- HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS WE HOPE GOING TOWARDS TRAINING FOR THE SKILLS AND APTITUDES THAT WILL BE REQUIRED BY GRADUATES OF COLLEGES, CEGEPS, INSTITUTES AND POLYTECHNICS TO ENTER FANTASTIC CAREERS IN THIS WHOLE AREA. SO WE HAVE A WONDERFUL PANEL. WE HAVE TONY CUPIDO. WE WILL BE HEARING FROM TONY IN A LITTLE WHILE. WE ALSO HAVE TEMO CRUZ WHO IS AN ASSISTANT PROJECT MANAGER, APPLICATION OF MODULAR BUILDINGS AT ELLISDON. OF COURSE ELLISDON IS A COMPANY ... FOR ITS COMMITMENT TO GREEN BUILDINGS, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, HELPING MUNICIPALITIES AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE OF BUILDINGS TO GET IT RIGHT SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM TEMO IN A LITTLE WHILE, AND WE HAVE DR. LEXI THOMPSON WHO IS HIGH PERFORMANCE BUILDINGS PROGRAM LEADER AT THE NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL CANADA'S. OF COURSE THE NRC IS A LEADING PLAYER IN MANY TECHNOLOGIES WHICH ARE IMPORTANT TO THE GREEN ECONOMY -- THE FUTURE GREEN ECONOMY FOR CANADA AND LEXI LEADS A REALLY IMPORTANT GROUP WITHIN THE NRC WHICH IS HIGHLY RELEVANT TO OUR TOPIC FOR TODAY, AND LEXI IS ALSO GOING TO BE OUR FIRST SPEAKER, SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE DR. THOMPSON -- LEXI TO SHARE WITH US HER THOUGHTS AND PERSPECTIVES ON THE CHALLENGE OF GREENER BUILDINGS AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE GREENEST POSSIBLE HOUSING STOCK AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND BUILDING STOCK IN CANADA. SO, DR. THOMPSON, OVER TO YOU. DR. LEXI THOMPSON: THANK YOU, DAVID. IF YOU HEAR BLEEPING -- IT'S MY TEAM THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO WANT TO TURN OFF. IT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS OF VIRTUAL WORKING I'M AFRAID. SO THE PRESENTATION TODAY I'M GOING TO GIVE PREDOMINANTLY TALKS ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING AT NRC AND WHERE WE SEE THE FUTURE BEING FOR THIS LOW-CARBON BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT WE ALL HOPE TO ACHIEVE IN A RELATIVELY SHORT TIME SPAN. SO I HAVE GOT A FEW SLIDES. SO I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE AND WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS DURING THE PRESENTATION AS WAS SET OUT AT THE BEGINNING. SO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. OKAY. NRC FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW IS THE SORT OF THE PREMIER CANADIAN (... INDISCERNIBLE) TECH AND INNOVATION R&D DEPARTMENT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. HAVING SAID THAT, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR EXCELLENT COLLEAGUES AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND R&D AND MANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. SO WE REALLY DO WORK AS A FEDERAL FAMILY TO PROVIDE SUPPORT, POLICY AND PROVIDING ACADEMIC KNOWLEDGE THAT CONVEY BACK INTO THE ACADEMIC COMMUNITY AS WELL. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT NRC IS THAT WE REALLY DO VERY WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH INDUSTRY AS WELL, AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS SLIDE HERE THAT WE HAVE OVER 1,000 R&D CLIENTS. WE HAVE VERY LARGE REVENUES AND WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF FUNDING THAT GOES TOWARDS IRAP FOR THE INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH ASSISTANCE PROGRAM TO ENABLE SMALL AND MEDIUM ENTERPRISE TO GET NEW TECHNOLOGIES INTO THE MARKETPLACE AND DERISK AND ACCELERATE IT TO MARKET. JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW WE HAVE AS A -- WE ARE ALSO -- AS WELL AS AN R&D AGENCY, WE ALSO ARE AN ASSET OWNER AND WE HAVE OVER 179 BUILDINGS THAT WE MANAGE AND OWN AND THOSE ARE DISTRIBUTED IN 22 LOCATIONS. SO IN MANY RESPECTS SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT INDUSTRY IS FACING ARE ONES THAT WE OURSELVES ARE FACING TOO AND AS A RESEARCH ORGANIZATION WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH STRATEGY. WE DO LOTS OF R&D ON DIVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL SOLUTIONS. WE ARE TRYING TO GREEN OUR BUILDINGS BUT IT IS TOUGH SO I THINK THAT WHILST THE GOVERNMENT IS SETTING THESE REMARKABLE TARGETS WE I HOPE CAN SORT OF EMPATHIZE ON WHAT INDUSTRY IS GOING THROUGH IN TRYING TO GREEN THE SPACE. SO I THINK THAT IF JUST TO SUMMARIZE MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, IF WE DO WANT TO REACH 2030 40 TO 45% CANADIAN FRAMEWORK TARGET, WE NEED TO WORK SMARTER AND FASTER AS A COUNTRY AND AS A COLLABORATIVE -- IN A COLLABORATIVE METHOD. SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THE -- I THINK TO ACHIEVE -- TO ADDRESS SORT OF THE TOPIC THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, I THINK TO ACHIEVE A LOW-CARBON BUILT ENVIRONMENT, WE NEED TO MOVE BEYOND THE OPERATIONAL CARBON AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONVERSATION. NOW THE WORK THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IN THE HIGH PERFORMANCE BUILDING PROGRAM -- YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE TWO YELLOW ARROWS HERE -- REALLY HAS ADDRESSED OPERATIONAL CARBON. WE HAVE DONE THAT THROUGH INNOVATION. WE HAVE DONE THAT THROUGH STANDARD SUPPORT AND WE HAVE DONE THAT THROUGH POLICY SUPPORT AND ENABLING GOOD SCIENCE THROUGH PROCUREMENT, BUT IT'S TIME NOW TO MOVE THAT CONVERSATION ON AND TAKE THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THAT AND TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE EMBODIED CARBON AND START TO ACTUALIZE SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THIS SPACE FOR -- GOSH, I DON'T KNOW -- 40 YEARS, 50 YEARS I GUESS. I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT EMBODIED CARBON DURING MY MASTERS IN THE LATE '90S IN THE U.K. SO IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME BUT HOW DO YOU MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND HOW DO YOU REALLY INCLUDE RENEWABLES IN THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL IN WAYS THAT ARE STANDARDIZED, IN WAYS THAT ARE SORT OF OPTIMIZED AND THEY'RE NOT TOO LABOUR INTENSIVE AND WAYS THAT ARE COORDINATED? SO I THINK THAT SOME OF THE TERMS THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IN THIS SPACE ARE ENABLING STANDARDIZED IMPORTED CARBON ACCOUNTING. HOW DO WE OPTIMIZE THE ENERGY GRID? HOW DO WE OPERATE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENERGY? HOW DO WE CONSIDER BUILDINGS NOW AS GRID INTERACTIVE SPACES RATHER THAN JUST USERS OF ENERGY? HOW DO WE START TO ADVANCE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION TECHNOLOGIES AND PRACTICES TO EMBRACE EMBODIED CARBON AND HOW DO WE NOW WORK TOWARDS USING CIRCULAR ECONOMY PRINCIPLES? SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT -- THESE ARE THE SORT OF THE WAYS THAT WE'RE NOW BEGINNING TO THINK ABOUT R&D AND THE IMPACT THAT R&D CAN HAVE. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE BUILDING MATERIALS SECTOR AS WELL TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR HOW WE CAN SUPPORT A LOWER EMISSIONS BUILDING MATERIALS SUPPLY CHAIN AND THERE HAVE BEEN TARGETS SET OUT IN THE CONCRETE AND THE STEEL (... INDISCERNIBLE) INDUSTRIES AS LARGE EMITTERS FOR CANADA ON HOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE FURTHER GREENING THEIR ACTIVITIES SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH INDUSTRY AND GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT THAT VISION. SO IN THE HIGH PERFORMANCE BUILDING PROGRAM -- CERTAINLY IN CONSTRUCTION ANYWAY WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSING VERY HEAVILY ON THE BUILDING SITES, IN THE PROPERTY LINE AND SOLUTIONS IN THAT SPACE TO REDUCING GHG EMISSIONS. SO NOW WE'RE TELLING -- TENDING TO TURN OUTWARDS NOW IN THINKING ABOUT HOW THIS SYSTEM -- HOW THIS IS NOW A PERMANENCE OF A MUCH LARGER SYSTEM AND HOW WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS AT A COMMUNITY LEVEL OR PORTFOLIO BUILDING AND MAYBE THERE IS A SPACE HERE AS WELL FOR BREAKING OUT OF THOSE SECTOR DIVISIONS OF RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL AND START TO THINK ABOUT ALL OF THESE AS ONE SYSTEM AT A COMMUNITY LEVEL AND THERE IS WORK GOING ON IN ENERGY MODELLING TO MAKE THAT DECISION-MAKING IN TRADE-OFF BETTER UNDERSTOOD. SO I THINK THAT THE OTHER THING AROUND THIS IS IN MY OPINION IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF RESEARCH DONE IN DIFFERENT POCKETS THROUGH DIFFERENT ACADEMIC OR INDUSTRY ORGANIZATIONS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS NOW IS REALLY TO BRING THAT RESEARCH TOGETHER AND TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE PRACTITIONERS WITH STRONG DECISION-MAKING TOOLS THAT THEY CAN RELY ON, AND THESE DECISION-MAKING TOOLS ARE COMPREHENSIVE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THE BALANCE OF LOW-CARBON, BUILDING RESILIENCE AND WHEN TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHEN TO RETROFIT AND WHEN NOT TO WITH THOSE SORTS OF EMBODIED CARBON AND RESILIENCE THOUGHTS IN MIND NOW WHICH IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT WAS SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE MATERIAL BANKS AND RENTING MATERIALS MAY BE IN USING CIRCULAR ECONOMY PRINCIPLES THAT WE -- THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE. SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WHERE I THINK WE'RE GOING WITH THIS IS THAT WE HAVE MANY LEVERS TO ELICIT CHANGE BUT THESE LEVERS NEED TO BE MULTI-DISCIPLINARY AND THEY NEED TO BE COORDINATED AND I THINK THAT THAT COORDINATION BETWEEN GOVERNMENT, INDUSTRY AND ACADEMIA AND I DON'T KNOW WHO LEADS IT AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A POLITICAL QUESTION BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING AND A WIN-WIN FOR INDUSTRY AND ACADEMIA AND GOVERNMENT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY. SO THE KEY LEVERS THAT WE SEE WHEN WE'RE SORT OF THINKING ABOUT SHORT-TERM AND LONGER TERM IMPACT IS LOOKING AT POLICY. YOU KNOW WHAT REGULATION DO WE NEED AROUND PROCUREMENT - THE CURRENT STANDARDS? HOW CAN WE SUPPORT TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION THROUGH OUR COLLEGES, THROUGH OUR INDUSTRY RESEARCH LABS? AND THIS COULD BE IN THINGS LIKE NEW MATERIALS OR NEW TYPES OF FUEL SOURCES OR NEW MANUFACTURING PROCESSES. WE ALSO NEED TO INCORPORATE AND IMBED INFORMATION IN CAPACITY BUILDING TO ENSURE WE HAVE THE SKILLED PEOPLE TO MAKE THIS CHANGE IN THE CONSTRUCTION SECTOR HAPPEN. WE NEED TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL INCENTIVES SO THAT WE CAN STIMULATE TECHNOLOGY UPTAKE AND REWARD PEOPLE WHO ARE ENTERING (PHONETIC) FOR GREATER REDUCTIONS IN EMISSION AND FOR ME AS A PSYCHOLOGIST, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I DO THINK THAT TRY TO ACHIEVE A LOW-CARBON ENVIRONMENT REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT CHANGE MANAGEMENT IN CONSTRUCTION SECTOR BECAUSE REALLY THIS IS JUST A CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT PROBLEM BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS TECHNOLOGY ARE ALREADY HERE. SO HOW CAN WE ENABLE THE CONSTRUCTION SECTOR AND ALSO SOCIETY TO CHANGE ITS VALUES A BIT TO SAYING, WELL, I DON'T REALLY NEED THAT BIG HOUSE WITH ALL THAT CONCRETE TO SHOW THAT I HAVE MADE IT IN LIFE. MAYBE THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO DEMONSTRATE SUCCESS AND HOW CAN WE AS A COMMUNITY -- HOW CAN WE ENABLE PEOPLE TO MAKE GREENER CHOICES THAT GIVE THEM STILL A FEELING OF CREDIBILITY AND ACHIEVEMENT IN LINE WITH A CAPITALIST SOCIETY? AND, OF COURSE, I THINK ONE KEY PART OF THIS IS TO MAKE THIS STRATEGY EQUITABLE, INCLUSIVE AND DIVERSE BECAUSE THERE ARE PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AND THE COMMUNITY THAT REQUIRE GREATER SUPPORT THAN OTHER SECTORS SO I THINK ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED ABOVE IN THIS SLIDE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL OF THAT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND JUST LASTLY -- JUST THINKING ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRAINING IN THE NEW SECTOR GROWTH. THIS IS AN EXCELLENT SLIDE. A PICTURE THAT I HAVE STOLEN FROM THE LEADERSHIP FORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WITH THE CIRCULAR ECONOMY PRINCIPLES, THERE ARE MANY, MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO TRAIN IN THE SECTOR AND -- SO IN THE EARLY STAGES OF BUILDING'S LIFECYCLE; LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS (INDISCERNIBLE) BUILDING MATERIALS SUPPLY CHAIN HAPPEN WITH OPTIONS TO FUEL SWITCHING AND THINKING MORE LOCALLY ABOUT SOURCING MATERIALS AND ENERGY. HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THE DESIGN PROCESS SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SKILLS TO MAKE THE REUSE OF MATERIALS EASIER AND HOW CAN WE MAKE THE CONSTRUCTION PRICES LESS WASTEFUL? SO I THINK THERE IS A REALLY BIG OPPORTUNITY TO THINKING ABOUT THAT AND TRAINING PEOPLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AND ON THE USED (PHONETIC) STAGE OF THINGS -- SO THERE ARE A LOT OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES FOR ACHIEVING ENERGY EFFICIENCY IS STILL BEING DEVELOPED AND THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH OLDER TECHNOLOGIES OR OLDER APPROACHES TO BUILDING OPERATION. SO HOW CAN WE RETROFIT PEOPLE TO MAKE THEM MORE FAMILIAR AND COMFORTABLE WITH NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND NEW SOFTWARE AS WELL AS PROVIDING RELEVANT TRAINING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO THIS FRESH? AND THE -- IN MY VIEW THE HUGE OPPORTUNITY HERE IN CANADA IS ABOUT THE END OF LIFE STAGE IN BUILDING AND USING THE CIRCULAR ECONOMY, HOW CAN WE RESUE AND RECYLCE USED MATERIALS AND DEVELOP A SECTOR AROUND THAT SPACE AS WELL BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE -- THERE IS GREAT WORK GOING ON IN THE WEST COAST AND SOME IN THE CENTER AND IN THE EAST BUT THERE'S A LOT OF LEARNING AND OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW BUSINESS AND NEW SKILLS IN THAT SPACE TOO. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO I HAVEN'T DONE A SUMMARY SLIDE SO ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT I THINK THAT THIS IS A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH AND I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. DAVID WHEELER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LEXI, FOR THOSE INSIGHTS. FASCINATING! A GREAT SCENE SETTER FOR OUR PANEL AND IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS, LEXI, I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO USE THE Q&A FUNCTION WHICH YOU WILL FIND AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREENS BECAUSE NOW LEXI IS FINISHED SPEAKING FOR A MOMENT. SHE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO DIRECTLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOR HER IN THE Q&A FUNCTION SO PLEASE DO USE THAT. WE ALSO HAVE PRESUBMITTED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS FOR LEXI AND THE OTHER PANELISTS SO, AGAIN, WHEN WE GET TO THE PANEL DISCUSSION -- THE THREE WAY PANEL DISCUSSION AFTER OUR THREE PANELISTS HAVE SPOKEN -- WE HAVE A LOT OF MATERIAL TO WORK WITH. THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU -- ALL OF OUR PARTICIPANTS WHO PRESUBMITTED QUESTIONS FOR OUR PANELISTS BUT IF YOU HAVE A DIRECT QUESTION FOR LEXI, POST THEM IN THE Q&A FUNCTION. LEXI WILL DO HER BEST TO ANSWER THOSE AS THE SESSION PROGRESSES. AND NOW I'M DELIGHTED TO INTRODUCE MY DEAR FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE DR. TONY CUPIDO. TONY IS A REAL PIONEER OF ZERO CARBON BUILDING THINKING AND PRACTICE, AND TONY IS THE KIND OF ACADEMIC WHO BRINGS A VERY VARIED PRACTICAL HANDS-ON APPROACH TO EVERYTHING THAT HE DOES WITH MOHAWK COLLEGE STUDENTS AND WITH STAKEHOLDERS FROM LOCAL COMMUNITIES SO IT IS WITH GREAT PLEASURE THAT I WILL NOW INVITE TONY TO SHARE SOME OF HIS EXPERIENCE ON THIS TOPIC WITH THE WEBINAR. OVER TO YOU, TONY. DR. TONY CUPIDO: THANK YOU, DAVID. THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS AND WELCOME EVERYONE. I'LL JUST TAKE A MOMENT HERE TO SHARE MY SCREEN. I HAVE GOT TO GET THE PRESENTATION UP AND RUNNING AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT IN ONE SECOND. THERE WE GO. I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE SEEING THAT. IT'S A PLEASURE HERE TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE OUR JOURNEY HAS BEEN AT MOHAWK COLLEGE STARTING WITH THE JOYCE CENTER -- AN OUTSTANDING FACILITY THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION, IT'S A $50 MILLION BUILDING THAT WAS OPENED IN 2018. IT WAS -- WE'RE VERY PROUD TO SAY IT WAS THE FIRST DUAL CERTIFIED -- THAT'S DESIGN AND PERFORMANCE CERTIFIED BUILDING UNDER THE CANADA GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL ZERO CARBON BUILDING PROGRAM. THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE STARTED OFF IN 2016 AS A ZERO -- NET ZERO ENERGY BUILDING BUT SLOWLY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROGRAM AT THE CANADA GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL WE WERE ABLE TO QUICKLY TARGET NET ZERO AS OUR -- ZERO CARBON AS OUR TARGET FOR THE BUILDING AND WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT WITH A LOT OF SUCCESS. I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT THIS BUILDING WAS ABOUT AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FOR MANY OF OUR PROFESSIONAL DESIGNERS TO HAVE THEM HAVE A PARADIGM SHIFT OF WHAT THEIR THINKING IS IN A CONVENTIONAL BUILDING. PART OF ANY ZERO CARBON BUILDING OR NET ZERO ENERGY BUILDING TYPICALLY INVOLVES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SOLAR PHOTO VOLTAIC RAYS, AND IN OUR CASE HERE IN OUR CAMPUS THE BUILDING IS UP AT THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR BUT THE TOP -- SORRY -- THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER THERE WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE OUR BUILDING AT ABOUT A THIRD OF THE PANELS THAT WERE REQUIRED ACTUALLY FIT THE BUILDING WITH A NICE SUPPORTIVE WAY (PHONETIC) THAT IS THE HIGHLIGHT FEATURE OF THE DESIGN BUT WE NEEDED OTHER ROOF LOCATIONS AT OUR CAMPUS. OUR BUILDINGS ARE TYPICALLY ALL CONNECTED AND WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT AND PROVIDING ALMOST A HALF A MEGAWATT OF POWER FOR THE BUILDING, AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO SO VERY COST-EFFECTIVELY, AND WHAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT AS TIME GOES ON -- AND OUR COLLEAGUES LOOK AT OTHER STRUCTURES AND BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING -- THE COLLEGES, UNIVERSITY SECTOR AND OTHERS -- THERE WILL BE A GROWING DEMAND FOR PV; GROWING DEMAND FOR FABRICATING THEM FOR THE MATERIALS AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET MORE EFFICIENT MATERIALS FOR THESE, AND THEN THERE'S THE END OF LIFE OF THESE PARTICULAR PANELS THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED FOR FUTURE WORK OPPORTUNITIES. INSTEAD OF JUST THROWING THEM AWAY WHICH HAS BEEN AN EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST DECADE OR SO, THERE IS ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT IN RECYCLING AND REPURPOSING THESE PANELS FOR DIFFERENT USES. THIS BUILDING AS WELL HAD A MUCH DIFFERENT MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL SYSTEM AND PARTICULARLY THERE'S THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM WHICH HELPED WITH SOME COST EFFECTIVENESS FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING BECAUSE FROM A UNIT COST POINT OF VIEW THIS BUILDING WAS NO MORE EXPENSIVE THAN ANY OTHER INSTITUTIONAL BUILDING ACROSS CANADA AND WE SHOWED THAT AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT AS WELL. THIS BUILDING INSTEAD OF THE CONVENTIONAL BOILERS AND CHILLERS, AND OTHER THINGS THAT PROVIDE THE HEATING AND COOLING FOR A BUILDING, WE TRIED SOMETHING DIFFERENT -- DIFFERENT FOR US HERE IN CANADA BUT VERY COMMON IN JAPAN AND OTHER COUNTRIES IN EUROPE. WE USED HEAT A PUMP SYSTEM AND WE USED A GROUND SOURCE GEO-THERMAL WELLS THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE. THERE WERE 28 OF THEM JUST IN FRONT OF THE ADJACENT BUILDING AND THEN CONNECTED INTO OUR NEW FACILITY. SO IT'S -- TECHNICALLY IT'S CALLED A VARIABLE REFRIGERANT FLOW GEO-EXCHANGE SYSTEM. IT'S VERY EFFICIENT AND PROVIDED FOR A MUCH SMALLER MECHANICAL FOOTPRINT IN THE MECHANICAL ROOM -- MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE WHICH HELPED CONSIDERABLY WITH COSTS. SO THESE TECHNOLOGIES WERE VERY COST EFFECTIVE, VIRTUALLY LOW OR NO MAINTENANCE AT ALL AND THEY WERE -- HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE HEAT PUMPS THAT ARE UP IN THE MECHANICAL ROOM. YOU CAN SEE HOW CLEAN THEY LOOK, HOW EFFICIENT THEY ARE, AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY EASY TO SERVICE AND SHOW. VERY STUDENT FRIENDLY TO COME UP THERE TO SEE HOW THESE SYSTEMS RUN AS WELL AND THEY'RE INCREDIBLY QUIET COMPARED TO WHAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY EXPERIENCE. SO THESE ARE THE SYSTEMS HERE THAT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING MUCH MORE OF IN MORE AND MORE COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, INSTITUTIONAL AND EVEN NOW MORE AND MORE RESIDENTIAL SITUATIONS WHERE YOU'LL HAVE HEAT PUMPS THAT HELP YOU WITH YOUR COOLING AND YOUR HEATING AND DO SO WITH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REDUCED ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND REDUCED GREENHOUSE GASES. THE GEOTHERMAL WELLS THAT WERE PUT OUT IN FRONT OF THE ADJACENT BUILDING THERE -- IT'S INTERESTING. THEY WERE DONE BY A LOCAL COMPANY OUT OF CALEDONIA AND IT'S LITTLE BIT OF A MESSY JOB. YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF MUCK AND OTHER THINGS AND BIG DRILL RIGS. IT TOOK ABOUT A MONTH TO PUT IN 28 WELLS, SO ONE ROUGHLY A DAY, AND WHEN I TALKED TO THE CONTRACTOR, HE SAID ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THEY HAD WAS GETTING LABOUR TO HELP THEM OUT WITH THIS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MESSY JOB AND THERE WAS JUST A RELUCTANCE OF INDIVIDUALS WHO JUST WANTED TO APPLY FOR THIS TYPE OF EMPLOYMENT. IT IS SEASONAL IN MANY WAYS. IT'S CHANGING NOW BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT MARKETPLACE OUT THERE FOR WORK FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO LEARN ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY AND APPLY IT IN DIFFERENT PLACES TO COMPANIES LIKE GEO-SOURCE WHICH WE WORKED WITH. JUST SO YOU KNOW AS WELL WE ALSO PROVIDE ALL OUR DOMESTIC HOT WATER HEATING THROUGH SOLAR THERMAL PANELS WHICH ARE ON THE ROOF OF THE ADJACENT BUILDING FACING SOUTH, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR RIGHT-HAND SIDE THERE THERE'S A COUPLE OF TANKS ASIDE. THAT THEY'RE PREHEATED WITH THIS SOLUTION -- HOT SOLUTION THAT IS PRODUCED BY THE SUN. IT PRE-HEATS THE WATER THAT IS USED THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING FOR DOMESTIC PURPOSES. WE ALSO DID A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF RAINWATER HARVESTING HERE SO WE DO NOT USE ANY MUNICIPAL WATER FOR OUR TOILET FLUSHING AND ANY IRRIGATION WE DO AND THAT'S A CONSIDERABLE SAVINGS TO THE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL. THE OTHER THING I AM PROUD TO SAY ABOUT -- THAT MOHAWK WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF AN ORGANIZATION OR GROUP, A COLLABORATION IN EFFECT CALLED "WORKFORCE 2030", AND IT'S THE FIRST COALITION OF ITS TYPE WE BELIEVE IN CANADA, AND IT WAS MEANT TO HELP ADDRESS LOW-CARBON WORKFORCE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARTICULAR WORKFORCE. IT'S HEADED BY THE CANADA GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL. MOHAWK WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THIS PARTICULAR GROUP AND RECENTLY WE RECEIVED FUNDING FROM THE FUTURE SKILL CENTRE FOR ABOUT $1.2 MILLION OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAM I THINK. WE ARE WORKING WITH A LOT OF OUR PARTNERS TO HELP ENSURE THAT WE GET THE DEVELOPMENT OF A WORKFORCE PARTICULARILY FROM MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES IMPACTED BY THE PANDEMIC AND PRIORITIZING AND UNDERSTANDING THE UNDER-REPRESENTED GROUPS IN THE BUILDING SECTOR ESPECIALLY WOMEN AND RACIALIZED YOUTH. THERE IS A TREMENDOUS DEMAND AND PENT-UP NEED TO HELP SOCIETY DEVELOP THE NECESSARY SKILLSETS TO START WORKING ON CONSTRUCTION. THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK AHEAD. MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS AND THIS GOES THROUGH ALL SECTORS. NOT ONLY THE INSTITUTIONAL SECTOR BUT THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR AND COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL SECTORS. THEY'RE CHANGING RAPIDLY. THEY NEED GOOD SKILLED LABOUR AND WE'RE HERE TO HELP THIS PARTICULAR GRANT (PHONETIC) TO DEVELOP SOME OF THAT AT THE EARLIEST STAGES. YOU KNOW HERE IS AN IMPORTANT COALITION HERE AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ONE OR TWO OR TWO OR THREE GROUPS. IT IS A BROAD CROSS-SECTION OF THE INDUSTRY RIGHT FROM DEVELOPERS THROUGH TO THE PROFESSIONAL GROUPS, THE ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS, MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE BEING CHALLENGED WITH HELPING WITH APPROPRIATE DESIGNS TO HELP WITH REDUCED CARBON. WE STARTED THAT INITIATIVE ALMOST FIVE YEARS AGO AND MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE DOING THE SAME. GENERAL CONTRACTORS NOW HAVE A LARGE INVENTORY OF GROUPS NOW -- CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH. BUILDING OFFICIALS ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE SENSITIVE TO THE NEED FOR REDUCED CARBON AND WE'RE GETTING A COALITION HERE OF GOVERNMENT, COLLEGES WHO ARE PROUD TO BE PART OF THAT; MANUFACTURERS AND INDUSTRIES AND UNIONS -- WE'RE ALL HERE TO HELP MAKE THIS A PARTICULAR REALITY. SO AS YOUR -- AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE LEVERAGING A NETWORK OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, EDUCATORS AND EXPERTS. THIS PROJECT -- WORKFORCE 2030 WILL CONTRIBUTE THE TO A LOW CARBON SKILLS INNOVATION BY EVALUATING, DESIGNING AND EXPANDING TRAINING WITH LOW-CARBON CONTENT; BY PILOTING AND EVALUATING INNOVATIVE UPSKILLING DELIVERY MODELS; EXPANDING PATHWAYS TO RESILIENT EMPLOYMENT AND A KEY PIECE TO THIS BY AN EMPLOYER AND UNION CHANNELS AND BY SHOWING -- SHARING THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT LEARNING. A KEY PIECE THAT WE'RE ALL PART OF HERE. IT'S JUST STARTING. WE'RE AT THE EARLIEST DAYS OF THE SOME OF THE CURRICULUM DEVELOPMENT BUT WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS THIS WILL BE ROLLING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE PROUD TO BE HAVING OUR CITY SCHOOL PROGRAM AT MOHAWK COLLEGE BE A BIG PART OF THIS SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT AND IT'S ALL ABOUT LEARNING SKILLS FOR MANY INDIVIDUALS TO GET INTO THE INDUSTRY AND GET EMPLOYED AND MAKE A MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION TO COMMUNITY AND SOCIETY IN GENERAL. SO THAT'S MY PART DAVID ON THIS AND CERTAINLY I KNOW THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS COMING UP ABOUT SOME OF THE DESIGN ISSUES OR MAYBE THIS INITIATIVE WORKFORCE 2030. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE WHEN THE TIME COMES. THANK YOU. DAVID WHEELER: THANK YOU, TONY. THAT WAS VERY INSPIRING. SO A GREAT CASE STUDY FROM MOHAWK COLLEGE THAT THEN BROADENED OUT TO THE NATIONAL SCENE AND WHO NEEDS TO WORK TOGETHER TO GENERATE THE JOBS AND THE SKILLS AND THE TRAINING REQUIRED IF COUNTRIES CAN DELIVER ON ITS MULTI-BILLION (AUDIO DIFFICULTIES) ASPIRATION. CLEARLY IT'S ONE THING PUTTING A LARGE NUMBER IN A BUDGET -- A FEDERAL BUDGET. IT'S ANOTHER THING MAKING THAT HAPPEN AND I THINK WHAT YOU POINTED TO THERE IS THE MULTITUDE OF STAKEHOLDERS WHO HAVE TO COME TOGETHER, INCLUDING THE COLLEGES, TO ENSURE THAT WE FILL OR MEET THAT SKILLS GAP AND DELIVER THE WORKFORCE TO THE FUTURE. THE FACT IS THAT THE JOBS SHOULD COME AS THE INVESTMENTS COME IN AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THE WORK YOU'RE DOING AND WE'RE ALL VERY PROUD. DR. TONY CUPIDO: THANK YOU. DAVID WHEELER: THANK YOU, TONY. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE DIRECT QUESTIONS FOR TONY, PLEASE PUT THEM IN THE Q&A FUNCTION, AND TONY WILL DO HIS BEST TO ADDRESS THEM DIRECTLY OR YOU CAN HOLD THEM FOR THE PANEL DISCUSSION. YOUR CHOICE. AT THIS POINT I WOULD NOW LIKE TO INTRODUCE TEMO CRUZ AND TEMO IS ACTUALLY A GRADUATE OF MOHAWK COLLEGE SO THIS REALLY IS A MOHAWK FAMILY AFFAIR ON THIS PANEL AND IT IS GREAT TO HAVE TEMO AND, AS I MENTIONED, ELLISDON IS WELL RENOWN FOR ITS COMMITMENT FOR SUSTAINABILITY PROJECTS IT DOES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THE MISSION OF ELLISDON INCLUDES THE IMPORTANCE OF IDENTIFYING SOLUTIONS AND BUILD EQUITABLE SMART CITIES OF THE FUTURE. TEMO IS ALSO AN ENTREPRENEUR I'M PLEASED TO SAY BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO A KEY PART OF THE TRANSITION TO A GREENER ECONOMY THAT WE NEED ENTREPRENEURS TO DRIVE NEW IDEAS AND NEW STARTUPS AND HE WAS ALSO RESPONSIBLE LAUNCHING SOMETHING CALLED LEAFBOX CONCEPTS, A CLEAN-TECH STARTUP OFFERING UPCYCLED SHIPPING CONTAINERS FOR RETAIL AND EVENT APPLICATIONS. SO, TEMO, YOU'VE GONE ALL AROUND AS SOMEONE WHO DOES HIS WORK THROUGH THE AUSPICES OF ELLISDON BUT ALSO HAS A SENSE OF WHAT'S NEEDED FOR DISRUPTIVE INNOVATION TO GUIDE THE COUNTRY TO A GREENER FUTURE. SO, TEMO, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE PANEL. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR REMARKS. TEMO CRUZ: THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTRODUCTION, DAVID. I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME OKAY. I'M VERY EXCITED TO SPEAK MORE ABOUT THE CUTTING EDGE CONSTRUCTION TECHNOLOGY AND ALSO THE EMERGING FIELD TRADE THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE (AUDIO DIFFICULTIES) SECTOR THAT I'M A PART OF AND JUST A LITTLE QUICK INTRODUCTION ABOUT MYSELF. I'M CURRENTLY AN ASSISTANT PROJECT MANAGER AT ELLISDON'S NEWEST DIVISION - ED MODULAR AND I'M VERY EXCITED TO SHOW THE -- I GUESS THE EMERGING THE TWO IN CONSTRUCTION AND MANUFACTURING AND THAT'S THE GOAL THAT ED MODULAR HAS AND AS MENTIONED, DAVID, YES, MY PREVIOUS VENTURE WAS UPCYCLING SHIPPING CONTAINERS INTO OFFGRID RETAIL AND EVENT USES AND WE ACTUALLY DID A FEW EVENTS WITH MOHAWK COLLEGE. SO THERE IS A PAST PICTURE OF THE SHIPPING CONTAINER IN USE. PREPANDEMIC OF COURSE. YOU CAN SEE WE ALSO HAD SOME SOLAR PANELS AS WELL. ONE KILO WATT. SO I'M ALSO A FIRM BELIEVER IN ARCHITECTURE AND ALSO EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES AND THESE TWO PHOTOS ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN JUST SEE THE NEWEST MODULAR, MANUFACTURING PLANT THAT I JOINED TWO YEARS AGO. I'M GOING TO CARRY ON HERE. WITH THIS FIRST SLIDE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TRY TO BREAK THE STIGMA OF MODULAR MANUFACTURING. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A BELIEF THAT MODULARS ONLY SHOULD BE IN CONTAINER HOMES -- ON THE TOP LEFT YOU SEE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE -- BUT REALLY -- IT'S REALLY HOW DO YOU SAY EVOLVED INTO SOMETHING THAT I WILL BE TOUCHING ON IN THE NEXT SLIDE, AND ON THE TOP RIGHT YOU ACTUALLY SEE SOME EXAMPLES OF TRAILER HOMES THAT PEOPLE THINK (INDISCERNIBLE) OF WHAT MODULAR HOMES ARE, OR WHAT WERE, AND ALSO ON THE BOTTOM LEFT WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION SITE OFFICES WHICH ARE STILL VERY HEAVILY USED IN THE INDUSTRY FOR MORE TEMPORARY MEASURES. AS WELL AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF, YOU KNOW, IN THE POST-WAR HOMES THAT WERE QUICKLY BUILT FOR SOLDIERS RETURNING BACK FROM ABROAD. SO THAT'S JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OR TRYING TO BREAK THE STIGMA OF MODULAR HOMES. ALL RIGHT. AND NEXT UP WE'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING MORE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION OPTIONS AND TECHNOLOGIES THAT HAVE BEEN USED, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST CENTURIES. SO THE TOP LEFT WE HAVE CONVENTIONAL STICK BUILT WOOD FRAME HOMES WHICH IS TO BUILD VERY LARGE PORTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION SECTOR, AND THEN ON THE TOP RIGHT WE HAVE A NEW EMERGING TREND AS WELL USING MORE PANELIZED CONSTRUCTION METHODS WHERE YOU WOULD (AUDIO DIFFICULTIES) AND HAVE THEM ASSEMBLED PIECE BY PIECE OR WALL BY WALL AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, STILL REQUIRING A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE STILL ONSITE, AND THE BOTTOM LEFT MY EXPERTISE IS A MODULAR CONSTRUCTION BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE THE VOLUME OF THE MODULE IS STILL RATHER EMPTY. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF INTERIOR (INDISCERNIBLE) -- ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, ET CETERA TO DO AND IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS MORE MY LINE THAT I WILL BE PROVIDING SOME GREAT INSIGHT ABOUT VOLUMETRIC MODULAR CONSTRUCTION AND THAT'S WHERE 80 OR 95% OF ALL THE MATERIALS OR FINISHES OR EQUIPMENT AND (INDISCERNIBLE) AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S FULLY COMPLETED IN A FACTORY SETTING, AND MY NEXT SLIDE WILL SPEAK MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT MODULAR EXAMPLES IN THE WORLD. IT'S VERY INSPIRING TO SEE A LOT OF NEW BUILDINGS BEING BUILT IN THIS METHOD. TOP LEFT IS A WOODEN MODULAR STUDENT RESIDENCE IN NETHERLAND (PHONETIC) AND IN THE TOP RIGHT WE HAVE A CALIFORNIA BASE CONCRETE MODULAR BUILDING AS WELL -- AN APARTMENT -- AND IN THE BOTTOM LEFT WE HAVE ANOTHER STUDENT RESIDENCE WITH SOME GREAT MASKING (PHONETIC) OF THE MODULES WHICH IS GREAT TO SEE THE -- SOME MORE LANDSCAPE TO THE ENVIRONMENTS, AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS JUST ANOTHER CONCEPTUAL MODULAR BUILDING AND YOU CAN SEE IT HAS SOME GREAT DESIGN FEATURES. SO THAT'S JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW AS WELL AS THE MODULAR BUILDING DESIGN AND WHAT IS ACHIEVABLE, AND MY NEXT SLIDE WILL BE COVERING MORE ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF MODULAR CONSTRUCTION, AND THE FIRST ONE IS DUE TO THE EFFICIENCY OF OVERLAPPING YOUR, YOU KNOW, ONSITE SERVICES SO JUST YOUR FOUNDATION WORK AND GIVING THE SITE READY FOR THE MODULES WHILE CONCURRENTLY YOU ARE BUILDING THE MODULES OFFSITE IN A CONTROLLED FACTORY SETTING, YOU ARE ABLE TO QUICKLY REDUCE PROJECT LIFECYCLE AND SOME TIMES SIGNIFICANTLY FROM 20 TO 35% OF SCHEDULED REDUCTION WHICH IS GREAT FOR CLIENTS AND DEVELOPERS AND IT ALSO HELPS SOLVE THE HOUSING CRISIS AS THERE IS A LARGE BACKLOG OF EITHER, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOMES OR LONG-TERM CARE HOMES AS WELL TO HELP GET INTO MARKET AS FAST AS POSSIBLE IS ONE OF MY DAILY MOTIVATORS TO GET UP IN THE DAY -- IN THE MORNING. THE SECOND MAIN FEATURE IS RELIABLE QUALITY. WE CAN REALLY ENHANCE THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR FINISHES OF A BUILDING WITH, YOU KNOW, CAR MANUFACTURING-LIKE PROCESSES AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S -- WE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT STATIONS THAT COVER DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES AND THAT GET CHECKED OFF AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT DOES LEAVE THE FACTORY SO WE HAVE A HIGH QA/QC FOCUS AS WELL. AND THE THIRD ONE -- I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE LESS WASTE AS WELL TO -- THE ENTIRE MODULE IS 3D DESIGNED SO WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE OFF VERY ACCURATE MATERIAL USAGES THAT WE NEED SO WE DON'T OVER-CONSUME SO WE'RE VERY CONSCIOUS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, VERY EFFICIENT MATERIAL THAT IS USED IN THE MODULAR -- IN THE MODULE APPLICATION, AND THEN LAST ONE WE HAVE VERY EFFICIENT LABOUR AND ALSO THE UPSCALING OF TRADE WORK THAT IS HAPPENING IN TERMS OF REACHING THOSE SCHEDULES AND THOSE TARGETS THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLETE A BUILDING. WE HAVE THE LABOUR THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIAL WORK IN TEAMS IN GROUPS AND COMPLETE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, PLUMBING WORK OR HVAC WORK, AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF SKILL TRADE ACTIVITY PER STATION SO IT'S REALLY GREAT TO SEE AND ALSO WORK WITH VERY TALENTED SKILL TRADE TEAM ED MODULAR. NOW THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE 2,000 SQUARE FOOT ELLISDON MANUFACTURING FACILITY WHERE I ACTUALLY GO INTO WORK EVERY DAY AND, YOU KNOW, BEING ESSENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WORKING ON SOME VERY EXCITING PROJECTS AND A QUICK OVERVIEW WE HAVE SEVEN MODULE ASSEMBLY LINES AND OVER 200+ SKILLED TRADE WORKERS WORKING OUT OF THIS FACILITY TO HELP CURRENTLY COMPLETE A INFRASTRUCTURE ONTARIO PROJECT AND ALSO A FEDERAL RCMP PROJECT, AND THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU THE MASS SCALE OF THE FACILITY AND WHERE A LOT OF THE MAGIC HAPPENS IN CREATING THESE MODULES. AND NEXT UP WE'LL BE DISCUSSING MORE ABOUT THE TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. ONE IS THE OFFLINE PRODUCTION OF THE FACILITY WHICH IS MORE AUTOMATED MACHINERY AND ROBOTICS WHICH ACTUALLY HELPS EXPEDITE AND, YOU KNOW, IMPROVES PROCESSES TO MEET THOSE TARGET DATES. YOU CAN RUN THESE MACHINERY AND ROBOTICS, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY 24/7 WITH THE RIGHT TRAINED TECHNICIANS AND OPERATORS AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK A LOT OF THE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE SECTOR WILL BE COMING OUT OF IS THE TRAINING AND UPSKILLING THE WORKERS TO HELP COORDINATE AND MANAGE THESE, YOU KNOW, VERY EFFICIENT ROBOTICS, AND THEN THE BOTTOM TWO WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME MORE CONVENTIONAL SKILLED TRADES. IN ENVIRONMENT WE HAVE AN AERIAL SHOT OF ALMOST A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, SKILLED TRADE TEAM THERE, AND ONE OF OUR FIRST COMPLETED MODULES THERE, AND IT'S SHRINKED WRAPPED, AND IN THE BOTTOM LEFT WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT MODULES GOING FROM STATION TO STATION BETWEEN -- DURING ACTIVITIES AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE A LARGE, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE KIND OF BASE WORKERS WORKING IN THOSE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, STATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, DRYWALL OR, YOU KNOW, MILL WORK OR ELECTRICAL AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL A BIG OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN THE TEAM AS WELL. AND ON THAT LAST NOTE WE ARE ALSO HIRING OVER 20+ SKILLED TRADES SO IF THERE IS ANYONE LOOKING OR IF YOU HAVE COLLEAGUES WHO ARE LOOKING FOR WORK AND TO UPSKILL THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR CURRENT JOB, YOU KNOW MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE SOME INSIGHTS INTO THESE EMERGING SECTOR AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL COVER A GOOD INCENTIVE TO HOW MODULE MANUFACTURING CAN HELP OFFSET OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AS WELL. DAVID WHEELER: TEMO, THAT WAS FABULOUS! A REAL FASCINATING INSIGHT INTO THE WORLD OF MODULAR SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IT BACK TO THE QUESTION OF OPPORTUNITY, AND A LITTLE PITCH THERE AT THE VERY END FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU SO THERE IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY IN TERMS OF FUTURE EMPLOYMENT AND ALSO A HUGE CONTRIBUTION TO BE MADE TO CANADA'S PROGRESSION TOWARDS ZERO CARBON ECONOMY BY 2050 IF WE GET THIS RIGHT. SO THANK YOU, TEMO. NOW I SEE THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF INPUTS IN THE Q&A FUNCTION SO I'M JUST GOING TO REVIEW THOSE VERY QUICKLY. MARCEL (INDISCERNIBLE) ONVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE TALKED TO DIRECTLY, TEMO, OFFLINE BUT MARCEL HAS ALSO ASKED THE QUESTION HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO CODE ADHERENCE FOR MODULAR CONSTRUCTION? (INDISCERNIBLE) TO THAT BECAUSE ONE OF OUR FOUNDING PARTNERS IN C2R2 THE -- (INDISCERNIBLE) IS A BIG PLAYER IN THE WORLD OF WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND YOU MENTIONED WOOD IN YOUR MODULAR OPTIONS. SO CAN YOU TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT CODE ADHERENCE AND ALSO THE STEEL VERSUS WOOD VERSUS OTHER MATERIALS ISSUES BECAUSE THAT ALSO RELATES TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME IN FROM PARTICIPANTS IN ADVANCE WHICH RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO IN TERMS OF ENSURING FROM A LIFECYCLE PERSPECTIVE THAT MODULAR ACTUALLY IS BETTER? SO, TEMO, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE QUESTIONS? TEMO CRUZ: YEAH. THANKS FOR PUTTING ME IN THE HOT SEAT FIRST. THAT'S FINE. I REALLY HAVE A BIG PASSION ABOUT MODULAR, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET, AND FOR THE FIRST QUESTION ABOUT CODE ADHERENCE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CSA CERTIFICATIONS OF OUR GOVERNMENT BODIES THAT DO, YOU KNOW, THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND WE ALSO COMPLETE OUR, YOU KNOW, YEARLY -- HOW DO YOU SAY IT -- ALSO ADHERENCE AS WELL TO THE CODE SO, YES, WE ARE ABLE TO MEET TO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MUNICIPALITY CODES DUE TO OUR DIFFERENT CSA CERTIFICATION CODES. I HOPE EXPLAINS THAT ONE AND, DAVID, I BELIEVE THERE IS A SECOND QUESTION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WOOD AND CONCRETE AND STEEL. IS THAT RIGHT? DAVID WHEELER: YEAH AND A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS COME IN BOTH IN THE Q&A FUNCTION IN ADVANCE. FOR EXAMPLE, CHERYL -- CHERYL FRIAR (PHONETIC) SAYS WITH THE COST OF A WOOD STUD AT $2 BEFORE COVID AND NOW 6 TO $10, HOW DOES MODULAR PLAY TO THAT KIND OF PRICE SHIFT AND HOW DO YOU MAKE THE CALL REALLY ON WOOD VERSUS STEEL VERSUS OTHER MATERIALS WHEN YOU'RE ACTING AS A PROPONENT FOR MODULAR DESIGN IN CONSTRUCTION? TEMO CRUZ: RIGHT. WELL FIRST WE ARE MANUFACTURING SUPPLIER CERTAINLY DEPENDS ON THE CLIENT'S NEED AND ALSO THE NEED FOR MUNICIPALITIES' ACCEPTANCE OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION STRUCTURE. FOR EXAMPLE WOOD -- YOU ARE LIMITED TO SIX STOREYS AND, YOU KNOW, FOR (INDISCERNIBLE) STEEL YOU CAN GO A LOT HIGHER AND ALSO FOR FIRE RATING SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER AND, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY CONSIDERING THE COST OF ONE PARTICULAR MATERIAL BUT MORE OF A MUNICIPALITY AND ALSO A DEVELOPER'S, YOU KNOW, OPTIMAL BUILDING HEIGHT THAT THEY WOULD ALSO WANT TO ACHIEVE IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT. HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE. DAVID WHEELER: YEAH IT DOES, TEMO. SO THERE IS A GOOD SEGWAY HERE TO LEXI BECAUSE AGAIN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME IN IN ADVANCE WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE EMBODIED CARBON AS WELL AS THE OPERATION MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING ONCE IT'S UP AND RUNNING. SO THE QUESTION THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN ADVANCE WAS THIS. HOW MUCH CONSIDERATION WAS GIVEN TO USE IN LOW-CARBON BUILDING MATERIALS TO REDUCE THE EMBODIED CARBON IN BUILDINGS? IF THIS IS A CONSIDERATION, WHAT TOOLS DO YOU USE TO IDENTIFY LOW-CARBON MATERIALS? DO YOU QUANTIFY THE EMBODIED CARBON, EG THE WHOLE BUILDING LIFECYCLE ASSESSMENT? SO I'M ASSUMING THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOUR GROUP IS VERY FOCUSSED ON BUT PERHAPS YOU CAN TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU MAKE THE CALL AGAIN BETWEEN DIFFERENT MATERIALS, EMBODIED CARBON AND WHAT TOOLS AND TECHNIQUES THAT YOU USE TO ADVISE THE INDUSTRY ON THAT SCORE? DR. LEXI THOMPSON: YES. SO BEFORE I SAY MUCH ABOUT ENERGY EFICIENCY LIKE I SAID IN THE PRESENTATION AND THE RESEARCH AROUND EMBODIED CARBON AND HOW TO SORT OF STANDARDIZE THE METHODS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT HAS REALLY BEEN DONE IN THE UNIVERSITY SETTING, AND SO WE AT NRC ARE NOW THINKING HOW DO WE TAKE ALL THIS SCIENCE AND TURN IT INTO THINGS; DERISK IT; MAKE IT OPERATIONAL AND ENABLE THE INDUSTRY TO USE THESE PRINCIPLES? SO WE'RE KIND OF STILL DEVELOPING A LOT OF OUR CAPACITY THERE. HOWEVER I DO THINK -- I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GIVING A LOT MORE CONSIDERATION TO NOW AND CERTAINLY WITHIN THE CODE STRUCTURE WE'RE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT EMBODIED CARBON IN THE NATIONAL BUILDING CODE AND THE NRCB. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT TO PROCURE USING -- USING EMBODIED CARBON PROTOCOLS AS WELL BUT I -- ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WANT TO MENTION HERE IS THAT TO ENABLE PEOPLE TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AROUND EMBODIED CARBON, YOU NEED TO HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN IN THE DESIGN PROCESS AND BETWEEN THE MANUFACTURERS SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH CARBON IS ACTUALLY IN THOSE BUILDING MATERIALS, AND AT NRC WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND SO WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT EVERY INDUSTRY IS SORT OF GIVEN A FAIR SPACE TO WORK COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHERS SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO WORK WITH INDUSTRY TO FIND OUT BY USING STANDARDIZED METHODS HOW MUCH CARBON THERE IS IN EACH OF THE BUILDING MATERIAL. PUT THAT OUT IN A DATABASE WHERE PEOPLE CAN REFERENCE IT AND THEN START TO WORK WITH ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATIONS AND WITH USING THE LCA PROCESS TO REALLY START TO COME UP WITH VERY RIGOROUS TRUSTWORTHY NUMBERS THAT INDUSTRIES CAN USE TO START TO SORT OF LABEL OR UNDERSTAND THE RELATIVE IMPACTS ON GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND CARBONS THAT THEIR CHOICES THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION DESIGN PROCESS ARE ACTUALLY MAKING, AND AS WE TALK ABOUT CIRCULAR ECONOMY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY GOING TO START CHANGING THOSE MODELS AS WELL. SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION DIRECTLY THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT GOING INTO CONSIDERING LOW-CARBON AND I THINK THAT THAT CONSIDERATION IS AT THE RESEARCH END, IT'S AT THE OPERATIONAL END, AND IT'S ALSO VERY MUCH AN INDUSTRY END CODE AS WELL. IT'S COMING. WE JUST NEED TO WORK OUT HOW TO COORDINATE IT. DAVID WHEELER: YEAH AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, LEXI, AND IT DOES RAISE SOME INTERESTING POLICY QUESTIONS AND SOME QUESTIONS AROUND HOW PUBLIC AGENCIES, GOVERNMENTS, MUNICIPALITIES PROCURE THEIR BUILDINGS, AND I'M WONDERING -- IT MAY SOUND HERETICAL TO POST THIS IN A SEMINAR HOSTED BY A COLLEGE IN HAMILTON BUT DO YOU SEE WOOD TAKING MORE MARKET SHARE AS MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHERS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE KIND OF ANALYSES YOU'RE DOING YOU WOULD BE DISPLACING STEEL AND CEMENT IN THE FUTURE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT? DR. LEXI THOMPSON: I THINK IT DEPENDS ON YOUR TIME FRAME. ULTIMATELY WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS FIND MATERIALS THAT ARE THE LOWEST CARBON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR EXISTING INDUSTRIES TO MAKE THEM AS ENERGY EFFICIENT AS THEY CAN AND THERE ARE MANY, MANY WAYS TO SUPPORT THE PRESENT HIGH EMITTERS TO ENABLE THEM TO BE MUCH LOWER CARBON, AND SO I THINK IT THEN STARTS TO GO INTO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT CARBON SEQUESTRATION, FUEL SWITCHING AND MAKING THOSE MANUFACTURING PROCESSES MORE EFFICIENT ALREADY, AND I WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE WHAT TONY WAS DEMONSTRATING WITH HIS PROJECT WITH THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN HOW THEY HAVE USED GSM (PHONETIC) (INDISCERNIBLE) IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE I THINK -- THE OTHER THING OF COURSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EMBODIED CARBON, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT MATERIALS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE USAGE OF THE ENERGY THROUGH THE LIFECYCLE OF THE BUILDING TOO SO I THINK YOU CAN TAKE IT DIFFERENT WAYS. DR. TONY CUPIDO: DAVID, I THINK I HAD -- DAVID WHEELER: YES I SEE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO COME IN THERE SO PLEASE GO AHEAD. DR. TONY CUPIDO: I THINK I CAN QUICKLY ADD TO WHAT LEXI WAS SAYING THERE. THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT CONCRETE AND STEEL ARE TWO OF THE LARGEST EMBODIED CARBONS CULPRITS IF YOU WANT TO CALL THEM THAT FOR MOST BUILDINGS HERE -- PARTICULARLY SIZEABLE ONES. THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THE CONCRETE INDUSTRY THAT IS STARTING TO PRODUCE SOME LOW-CARBON OR ZERO CARBON CONCRETE. THERE ARE AT LEAST ONE OR TWO FIRMS THAT ARE LEADING THE INDUSTRY OUT THERE IN THE COUNTRY. THERE'S PLENTY OF RESEARCH GOING ON. STEEL IS A CHALLENGE. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. I THINK THE INDUSTRY IS CERTAINLY AWARE OF IT. THEY'RE WORKING ON IT BUT I THINK THEY WILL BE LAGGING WHEN COMPARED TO OTHER INDUSTRIES SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE LOGISTICS OF HOW THEY MAKE STEEL AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WILL GO WITH TRYING TO CHANGE THEIR PROCESSES. IN FACT, ALL THE STRUCTURAL STEEL FOR OUR BUILDING IN HAMILTON -- NONE OF IT CAME FROM CANADA. WE JUST DON'T MAKE IT HERE IN THIS COUNTRY ANY MORE. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO GET REASONABLY CLOSE IN THE U.S. BUT THAT IS THE CHALLENGE INDUSTRY-WIDE BUT, AS LEXI MENTIONED, WE DO NOT USE NATURAL GAS IN OUR FACILITIES SAVE AND EXCEPT THE EMERGENCY GENERATOR WHICH IS ONLY TESTED ONCE IN AWHILE, BUT THE LACK OF USE OF NATURAL GAS HELPS WITH ALL OF THIS AND I THINK THE OPERATIONAL PIECE WE HAVE GOT FIGURED OUT. WE ARE NOT A NET EMITTER OF CARBON. WE'RE A NET SINK OF CARBON IN THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING OVER THE LIFECYCLE OF IT SO WE HAVE TO THINK OF IT IN A BROADER PERSPECTIVE BUT CHANGES WILL HAPPEN IN THAT INDUSTRY WITH EMBODIED CARBON BUT IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. DAVID WHEELER: EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR THOSE INSIGHTS, TONY, AGAIN BASED ON YOUR PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE AND YOUR LOCAL GEOGRAPHICAL KNOWLEDGE STEEL DOES HAVE A (INDISCERNIBLE) FOR SURE AS DOES CONCRETE AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW SUCCESSFUL THEY ARE IN DECARBONIZING THEIR INDUSTRIES IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THE Q&A FUNCTION. MARCEL (INDISCERNIBLE) WHO IS OBVIOUSLY IS A COLLEAGUE OF LEXI'S SAYS IF ANYONE WANTS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT LEXI'S PRESENTATION AND HER PROGRAM, PLEASE DIRECT IT TO HIM. (INDISCERNIBLE). THANK YOU FOR THAT, MARCEL, AND WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FOR LEXI'S E-MAIL ADDRESS IN THE Q&A FUNCTION. SO I THINK THAT WAS ON LEXI'S PRESENTATION SO THE BEST WAY TO GET THAT WOULD BE TO REWATCH THE PRESENTATION WHEN IT'S POSTED IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO AND YOU'LL FIND LEXI'S E-MAIL ADDRESS THERE. SO -- AND THEN THERE'S A QUESTION FOR TONY ABOUT TRAINING AND ALL THREE OF OUR PRESENTERS MAY WANT TO HAVE A PERSPECTIVE (PHONETIC) ON THIS ONE IN TERMS OF HOW THIS MAY PLAY OUT INTO THE FUTURE. SO THIS ONE HAS COME IN SPECIFICALLY TO TONY. WHAT PROPORTION OF FUTURE SALES DO YOU SEE MOBILE (PHONETIC) PROVIDING FOR NEW TRAINING SKILL TRADES, UPSKILLING SCHOOL TRADES, MICROCREDENTIALS AND TECHNOLOGICAL TRAINING? HOW DO YOU SEE THAT PLAYING OUT PERHAPS ACROSS THE SECTOR? DR. TONY CUPIDO: YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'LL ANSWER IT BY THIS. I WOULD SAY MOST POST-SECONDARY INSTITUTIONS, PARTICULARLY IN THE COLLEGE SECTOR WHICH IMPACTS TRADES MOSTLY, BUT CERTAINLY EVEN IN UNIVERSITIES AS WELL AS THE PROFESSIONAL SECTOR IS IMPORTANT HERE BUT THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS. JUST STARTING WITH THE OPERATION -- THE SIGNIFICANT TRAINING OF OUR OWN STAFF JUST TO OPERATE FOR THEM -- NEW EQUIPMENT -- IT'S NOT OVERLY COMPLEX. QUITE FRANKLY I BELIEVE THEY'RE PLEASED WITH THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE LACK OF NEED FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND CHECKS. IT'S PRETTY SELF-SUSTAINING IN THAT WAY BUT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NEED FOR UPSKILLING. THAT IS WHY MOHAWK IS VERY PROUD TO BE PART OF WORKFORCE 2030. WE ARE PART OF A LARGER GROUP TRYING TO START THIS INITIATIVE WITH UPSCALING OF THE INDIVIDUALS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND YOU START BY LOOKING AT -- AND I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT MICRO CREDENTIALING. PEOPLE ASK WELL WHAT IS THAT? WELL IT'S THE ABILITY TO HAVE A PARTICULAR RECOGNITION FOR A SKILL -- NOT A BROADER PERSPECTIVE OF A CURRICULUM BUT A PARTICULAR SKILL THAT ONE CAN ACHIEVE AND GET RECOGNITION FOR. YOU KNOW MY ANALOGY IS WHEN I -- I'M SHOWING MY AGE HERE BUT WHEN I WAS A BOY SCOUT, YOU GOT A LITTLE BADGE ON YOUR ARM HERE THAT SHOWED THAT YOU CAN MAKE A CAMP FIRE OR USE AN AXE SAFELY, OR DO SOME THINGS, AND YOU GOT CREDIT. PITCH A TENT. YOU GOT CREDIT FOR THAT. AND JUST AS -- AGAIN MOVING IT FORWARD INTO THIS AREA ABOUT MICROCONNECTION, THERE ARE MANY SKILLS THAT YOU CAN ACHIEVE BY SIMPLY LEARNING ABOUT THE PROCESS AND GAINING THAT CREDENTIALING WHICH HELPS WITH RECOGNITION FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL FOR FUTURE EMPLOYMENT SO WE'RE STARTING THAT PROCESS WITH OUR CITY SCHOOL. I SUSPECT MOST COLLEGES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE REVISING THEIR CURRICULUM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS RELATED TO THIS. I HAVE BEEN A CRITIC OF THE LENGTH OF TIME IT CHANGE -- IT TAKES TO CHANGE CURRICULUM IN THIS COUNTRY AND MAYBE IN THIS PROVINCE AND I THINK EVERYONE CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB OF IT. IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN A LITTLE MORE RAPIDLY BUT WE'RE STARTING HERE AT MOHAWK AND I KNOW MANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE PROVINCE ARE DOING THE SAME THING. DAVID WHEELER: FANTASTIC! AND SO NOW -- LEXI -- LEXI WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING TO WHAT TONY JUST SAID. DR. LEXI THOMPSON: YES I HAVE TO SAY TONY BEFORE COMING ON THE CALL HERE I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE MOHAWK WEBSITE AND ALL THE COURSES THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF, AS A PSYCHOLOGIST WORKING IN THE SORT OF THE RESEARCH, THE ENGINEERING INDUSTRY, IT'S SUPER HELPFUL TO BUILD IT SORT OF UNDERSTAND OTHER PEOPLE'S TERMINOLOGY AND TO UNDERSTAND THEIR DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY THINK IS QUITE CRITICAL IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY IS THAT IN TERMS OF -- YES, PEOPLE KNOW THEIR SKILLS VERY, VERY WELL BUT WE HAVE TO WORK IN MULTI-DISCIPLINARY TEAMS THESE DAYS AND YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AND UNDERSTAND OTHER PEOPLE'S PERSPECTIVES AND I THINK THESE SORT OF SMALLER COURSES THAT PEOPLE CAN DO ARE SUPER HELPFUL BUT IT'S JUST GIVING PEOPLE A TASTE OF WHAT THE OTHER PERSON'S -- THEY'RE TALKING TO, WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS AND WHAT THEIR BACKGROUND IS AND YOU COME UP WITH A MUCH ROUNDER PRODUCTION SOLUTION THAT WAY I THINK AS WELL SO I WANT TO JUST SAY THAT. THE OTHER THING AS WELL JUST TO -- WHILST I HAVE GOT THE FLOOR IS THAT I THINK THAT WITH THE SOLAR ENERGY EFFICIENCY WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE FOUND THAT PEOPLE ARE DEVELOPING AND DESIGNING THESE WONDERFUL BUILDINGS BUT UNLESS THE OPERATORS KNOW HOW TO ACTUALLY OPERATE THE BUILDINGS AS WELL, YOU DON'T ACHIEVE THE TARGET ENERGY EFFICIENCY THAT YOU HAVE IN THE DESIGN. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY CRITICAL THAT YOU HAVE SKILLED OPERATORS THAT KNOW HOW TO WORK THE TECHNOLOGY TO THE BEST THAT IT'S BEEN DESIGNED TO. DAVID WHEELER: FANTASTIC! THANKS LEXI. I WANT TO SHIFT GEAR A LITTLE BIT TO THINK ABOUT BUILDING INDUSTRY AND YOU'RE ALL VERY INVOLVED WITH THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND THE SECTOR AS A WHOLE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME IN FROM PARTICIPANTS IN ADVANCE WAS ONE OF THE DRIVERS OF THAT INDUSTRY. SO WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON OUT THERE IN TERMS OF GOVERNMENT POLICY, PROCUREMENT POLICY AND SO ON? WHAT'S MAKING PEOPLE TAKE THESE ISSUES SERIOUSLY THESE DAYS AND IS IT ENOUGH? SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE DRIVERS? ARE THEY STRONG ENOUGH -- ARE THE SIGNALS STRONG ENOUGH FOR THE RAPID DECARBONIZATION OF THE BUILDING SECTOR WE NEED TO SEE? SO MAYBE I'LL GET A TEAM VOTE FIRST ON THAT ONE AS YOU'RE VERY EMBEDDED IN THE INDUSTRY. TEMO CRUZ: YEAH WELL I JUST HAVE A COLD FACT I READ IN ONE OF MY BOOKS RECENTLY WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, CEMENT AND STEEL MAKE UP ALMOST 10% OF OUR GLOBAL (... INDISCERNIBLE) TRADE AND ANNUALLY WE HAVE 51 GIGATONS OF GHG TRADE SO THAT'S A LOT OF GREENHOUSE GASES IN THOSE TWO MATERIALS ALONE, AND I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF THE MODULES THAT HELP PRODUCE AT THE PLANT IS THAT IT IS MAINLY STEEL -- YOU KNOW IT IS AT LEAST CANADIAN MADE WHICH IS GREAT TO HAVE. IT SUPPORTS THE LOCAL ECONOMY. YEAH, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, HOW TONY EXPLAINED IT BEFORE IT WAS THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF MAKING STEEL IS VERY EMBEDDED, YOU KNOW, WITHIN OUR INDUSTRY AND I THINK CHANGING THAT I THINK WILL TAKE A LOT MORE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AND EVEN SOME GOOD, MAYBE SOME ARM WRESTLING AS WELL TO MAKE IT CHANGE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BETTER IN TERMS OF PRODUCING THE EXACT, YOU KNOW, GHGS THAT WE ARE PRODUCING FROM STEEL BUT I BELIEVE THE WAY FORWARD WOULD BE ALSO HAVING THOSE PLANTS MAINLY RUN ON RENEWABLE POWER AS WELL BECAUSE THERE IS ALSO ELECTRICITY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ANNUALLY AT MY PLANT USES THAT COULD BE OFFSET WITH RENEWABLES. NOW WE DO HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, KILOWATTS OF RENEWABLES ON OUR ROOF BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE IS -- THERE SHOULD ALSO BE AN EMPHASIS ON THE OVERALL PROCESS FROM THE MANUFACTURING TO, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATIONS AND LOGISTICS PORTION OF PRODUCING BUILDINGS WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM BECAUSE TRANSPORTATION AND, YOU KNOW, ONGOING OPERATION OF A BUILDING IS VERY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE OVERALL PRODUCTION OF THESE BUILDINGS. SO THOSE ARE JUST MY KIND OF QUICK INSIGHTS AND HOPEFULLY THAT EXPLAINS A BIT ABOUT THAT. DAVID WHEELER: AND I'LL COME BACK TO YOU, TEMO, IN A MOMENT TO ASK YOU HOW OPTIMISTIC YOU ARE THAT THESE TRIALS (PHONETIC) ARE STRONG ENOUGH. (INDISCERNIBLE) IN THE Q&A FUNCTION RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING HE SAID, YOU KNOW, ARE WE REALLY GOING TO MAKE IT AS A COUNTRY TO NET ZERO 2050? I SAW TONY PUT IN A VERY OPTIMISTIC RESPONSE. THANK YOU, TONY. BUT I'LL COME BACK TO YOU IN A MOMENT, TEMO, AND ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR LEVEL OF OPTIMISM ABOUT THIS SECTOR BUT MAYBE LEXI AND TONY OR TONY AND LEXI, WHAT ARE THE DRIVERS THAT YOU'RE SEEING AND ARE THEY STRONG ENOUGH? DR. TONY CUPIDO: YEAH, I'LL JUMP IN. WHAT WE'RE SEEING CLEARLY IN THE INDUSTRY IS THAT SOME INDIVIDUAL CITIES AND STATES AND PROVINCES ARE TAKING A LEADERSHIP BY SETTING AGGRESSIVE ENERGY BUILDING TARGETS THAT CURRENT OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS MUST COMPLY WITH AND IN MANY CASES VERY RAPIDLY. SO NEW YORK CITY; NEW YORK STATE; WASHINGTON, DC; LARGE CITIES; CITY OF TORONTO AND VANCOUVER HAVE THEIR OWN WHAT THEY CALL STEP CODE REQUIREMENTS. SO LARGE ENTITIES ARE SETTING THESE BENCHMARKS THAT HAVE TO BE COMPLIED WITH AND THAT IS SETTING THE TONE IN MANY WAYS. I THINK FEDERALLY WE COULD DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH SETTING SOME AGGRESSIVE TARGETS. WE'RE COMPLYING OR WE HAVE THE GLOBAL TARGET OF GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION BUT AS YOU DRILL DOWN WITH CODES AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS, THERE IS MORE NEEDED, BUT WE'RE SEEING SOME LEADERSHIP FROM MANY CITIES AND I THINK THAT IS HELPING THE INDUSTRY MOVE FORWARD. I THINK WHAT -- AND THERE WILL BE PENALTIES IF YOU DON'T COMPLY. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO PUT THAT AND THESE CITIES HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THERE WILL BE FINES IN MANY WAYS PARTICULARLY IN THE STATES. SO WE'RE THE GLOBAL -- BECAUSE I'M A VERY STRONG ADVOCATE OF GOVERNANCE AND GOOD POLICY TO HELP GET US THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR CHALLENGE OF GAS REDUCTION TARGETS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE U.S., WHICH OFTEN HAS BEEN CRITICIZED THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING AS MUCH AS THEY COULD, INDIVIDUAL CITIES AND STATES AND NOW IT'S CERTAINLY IN PROVINCES IN CANADA ARE TAKING THAT LEADERSHIP ROLE INDIVIDUALLY AND MOVING FORWARD VERY RAPIDLY. DAVID WHEELER: THANK YOU, TONY. AND, LEXI, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHETHER OR NOT THE (INDISCERNIBLE) DRIVERS AND OTHER DRIVERS ARE COMING TOGETHER NOW? I APPRECIATE YOU'RE A PUBLIC SERVANT SO YOU CAN'T MAKE CRITICAL COMMENTS BUT (LAUGHTER) YOUR TECHNICAL INSIGHTS ON THIS QUESTION WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED AND ALTHOUGH WE MAY NOT HAVE MR. TRUDEAU REGISTERED PERSONALLY ON THIS WEBINAR, WE KNOW THAT A NUMBER OF MINISTERS AND THEIR STAFF ARE TAKING VERY SERIOUSLY WHAT C2R2 IS DOING. SO PLEASE TELL US WHATEVER YOU CAN ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF PUBLIC POLICY IN CANADA ON IMPROVED STANDARDS, IMPROVED REQUIREMENTS, IMPROVED DRIVERS FOR WHAT WE'RE BUILDING. DR. LEXI THOMPSON: YEAH. SO IT IS A MASSIVE TOPIC, DAVID AND MAYBE I CAN TAKE OFF MY POLICY HAT AND PUT ON MY PSYCHOLOGY HAT AS A RESEARCH SCIENTIST BECAUSE THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS THAT THE DRIVERS ARE -- I SEE -- I TEND TO GO TO A TECHNOLOGY ADOPTION MODEL WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT SO WHAT IS IT THAT MOTIVATES THE EARLY ADOPTERS TO TAKE ON NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND NEW APPROACHES? HOW DO WE THEN GET THE EARLY MAJORITY TO TAKE ON AND WHAT IS THE -- THE TECHNOLOGY IS BEING DERISKED WITH THE EARLY ADOPTERS (PHONETIC) AND THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN NOW TRYING IT OUT AND (INDISCERNIBLE) IN THEIR (INDISCERNIBLE) COMMUNITIES, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CODES THAT PULL IN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE A BIT RESISTANT OR CAUTIOUS TO CHANGE AND THAT'S THE JOB OF THE CODE THERE. IRONICALLY TONY SAID HE'S VERY MUCH IN FORM OF GOVERNANCE. I TEND TO GO A BIT MORE SORT OF WILD WEST IN MY THINKING AND I REALLY WANT INDUSTRY TO SEE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE AND FOR THEM TO BE INSPIRED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES BECAUSE THEY THINK THESE ARE THE RIGHT THINGS TO DO BECAUSE THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE IN IT AND THERE IS A REALLY GOOD EXPORT MARKET THAT WE'RE DOING AND SO I THINK THAT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS I WOULD LIKE TO USE PEOPLE THAT DO CHANGE MANAGEMENT TO -- AND TO TAKE ON THE PSYCHOLOGIST AND WE SAY LOOK YOU KNOW ABOUT CHANGING ORGANIZATIONS. YOU KNOW ABOUT CHANGING SOCIAL STRUCTURE. HOW CAN WE STIMULATE INDUSTRIES SO THAT THEY ARE DRIVING THIS CHANGE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT MUCH FASTER THAN SOME, SAY, THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO WITH SOME OF ITS POLICIES AND I THINK TO SUPPORT THAT YOU NEED TO PROVIDE GOOD INCENTIVES FROM GOVERNMENT. MAYBE I JUST GOT FIRED BUT I HOPE NOT. (LAUGHTER). DAVID WHEELER: NO. EVERYONE WILL BE WITH YOU. NO PROBLEM. SO WE'RE GOING TO AGAIN MOVE TO A DIFFERENT TOPIC IN A SECOND BUT, TEMO, I DO WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION AGAIN ABOUT THE LEVEL OF OPTIMISM AND DO YOU SEE THIS SECTOR ACHIEVING THAT ZERO BY 2050 WITH THE CURRENT DRIVERS IN PLAY OR DOES SOMETHING ELSE HAVE TO HAPPEN TO MOVE THE INDUSTRY AND HEAR WHAT WE SAY -- WHAT LEXI JUST SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE IMPROVE INCENTIVES AND KNOWLEDGE IN THE INDUSTRY (INDISCERNIBLE)? AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT ARE YOU SEEING AND IS IT ENOUGH? TEMO CRUZ: RIGHT. WELL I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY THREE THINGS THAT I WANT TO TRY TO COVER AND EXPLAIN WHY I'M ASKING IS MEDIUM TO HIGH. WISH IT COULD BE HIGHER. YOU KNOW AS A NEW PROFESSION TO THE SECTOR I AM SEEING THESE, YOU KNOW, DECADE KIND OF LONG WAYS OF DOING THINGS AND MAKING THINGS AND I THINK ONE IS THE THE GREAT PREMIUMS TO SPECIFIC ALTERNATIVE GREEN CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS OR DIFFERENT TYPES OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, GEOTHERMAL OR PVRAS AS WELL. WHO KNOWS THE COST OF THOSE ARE STILL, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN (INDISCERNIBLE). I THINK IT'S ALSO THE ADOPTION OF THOSE AND THEN JUST TRYING TO REDUCE THAT GREEN PREMIUM BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE A NO-BRAINER TO CHOOSING THESE ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF CONSTRUCTION OR PRODUCING ENERGY FREE BUILDING. AND SECOND, I THINK THERE SHOULD ALSO BE A BIGGER FOCUS ON THE R&D EFFORT TO FIND NEW TECHNOLOGIES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY IS NOT ENOUGH TO OFFSET THE 51 GIGATONS OF GHGS ANNUALLY. I STILL THINK THERE IS A BIG UNBALANCE (PHONETIC) OF COAL OR NATURAL GAS OR OTHER HARMFUL WAYS OF PRODUCING ENERGY. YEAH THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE EMERGENCY (PHONETIC) SHOULD BE A BIGGER -- I THINK ALSO A BIGGER CURVE (PHONETIC) CUT, YOU KNOW, MORE STARTUPS SIMILAR TO WHAT I DID BEFORE BUT IN A MORE BUILDING-FOCUSSED WAY, AND THEN THREE, I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, MINDSET OF SOCIETY AS WELL IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A GREEN PREMIUM THEN WHY NOT ADOPT OR CHOOSE THAT GREEN PREMIUM AND PAY THAT LITTLE EXTRA KNOWING THAT THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO BUILD AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE THOSE THREE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AND THE STARS ALIGN I DEFINITELY THINK WE ARE ABLE TO HIT ZERO CARBON. IT SHOULD BE A GOOD TARGET AND, YOU KNOW, WILL IT KIND OF FIRES ME UP IN THE DAY IS TO HELP TO PUT AMBITION. DAVID WHEELER: FANTASTIC! THAT'S A GOOD MISSION TO BE FIRED UP BY. OF COURSE THE CARBON PRICE OF A COUPLE OF HUNDRED DOLLARS A TON WOULD PROBABLY HELP. I'M NOW GOING TO SHIFT GEAR SLIGHTLY. WE HAVE THREE OR FOUR MINUTES LEFT SO I'LL ASK ONE OF OUR PANELISTS TO BE SUCCINCT IN THEIR RESPONSES BUT WE HAVE SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT NEW BUILD, NEW MATERIALS, AND SO ON, AND WE TALKED RATHER LESS ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND RETROFITS. OF COURSE IT'S AGAIN A BIG PART OF THIS PUZZLE AND SO A QUESTION DIRECTLY TO LEXI. I'LL INVITE ALL OF OUR PANELISTS TO ADDRESS IT IN GENERAL TERMS. RACHEL SAYS I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR, (INDISCERNIBLE) IN GREEN RETROFITTING. HOW EFFECTIVE IS OR ANTICIPATED FOR THE CANADA GREEN HOME GRANT TO ENGAGE HOMEOWNERS TO RETROFIT? THERE'S MORE TO BE DONE OR IS MORE BEING DONE TO FURTHER ENGAGE THIS SECTOR? SO PERHAPS WE WILL START WITH LEXI BUT AGAIN WE WILL GET TEMO AND TONY ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE RETROFITTING SPACE. WHAT MORE SHOULD BE HAPPENING? BUT, LEXI, PERHAPS WE'LL START WITH YOU. DR. LEXI THOMPSON: YES, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO THE -- I THINK THE PROGRAM IS A REALLY GOOD START. (INDISCERNIBLE) IS TRYING TO -- IT HAS TWO FUNCTIONS. IT OBVIOUSLY IS TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE. I SAID THAT WAS IMPORTANT EARLIER. I THINK IT'S ALSO RAISING AWARENESS OF HOMEOWNERS THAT THEY CAN DO SOMETHING TO THEIR PROPERTY AND THAT SOME OF THESE CHANGES DON'T -- WELL THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM IS GOING TO LARGER CHANGES BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT YOU CAN MAKE THAT ARE SMALL LIKE CAULKING OR WINDPROOF WEATHER STRIPPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU CAN DO TO REALLY IMPROVE THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND THE DEMAND OF -- FOR ENERGY FOR HEATING AND COOLING. SO I THINK WHILE THE PROGRAM IS TARGETING BIGGER CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY LIKE INSULATION OF THE WINDOWS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK IT RAISES THAT AWARENESS AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND I WILL BE VERY SUCCINCT IN MY LAST POINT. I DO THINK WITH THE -- WITH THE OPTIMIZATION OF THE ENERGY GRID, IT'S EVEN MORE CRITICAL NOW THAT HOMEOWNERS REALIZE THE OPPORTUNITY THEY HAVE TO GENERATE, DISPATCH AND USE ENERGY AS PART OF A SYSTEM AND THEY NEED TO TAKE MORE RESPONSIBILITY FOR UNDERSTANDING THAT SYSTEM. SO I'LL STOP THERE. DAVID WHEELER: EXCELLENT. THIRTY SECONDS OR LESS TONY AND TEMO. YOUR THOUGHTS ON ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND RETROFITS. DR. TONY CUPIDO: YEAH I THINK THE GOVERNMENTS I KNOW ARE TRYING WITH SOME INCENTIVES BUT I THINK THEY NEED TO BE FAR MORE AGGRESSIVE. WE SHOULD SET SOME GOALS THAT CAN EASILY BE ACHIEVED WHETHER IT'S CHANGING YOUR LIGHTING TO LED LIGHTING IN MOST HOMES THAT NEARLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR THE COSTS HAVE COME WAY DOWN BUT, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS PROVINCIALLY. I KNOW WE DID WELL IN ONTARIO WITH REDUCING OR ELIMINATING COAL AND THE (INDISCERNIBLE) ELECTRICAL GENERATION, WE NEED TO DO THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO HELP AND THEN SET SOME AGGRESSIVE TARGETS AND STANDARDS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT I THINK WILL GO A LONG WAY AND THEN SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH SOME RENEWABLE STRATEGIES THAT CAN EASILY BE DONE BY THE TYPICAL HOMEOWNER. DAVID WHEELER: FANTASTIC! THANK YOU TONY AND TEMO LAST ONE TO YOU. TEMO CRUZ: YEAH, I WOULD SAY I GUESS IT WOULD START FROM THE FIRST PRINCIPLES OF, YOU KNOW, DESIGN OF A HOME OR, YOU KNOW, ANY BUILDING. FOR THAT FACT I THINK THE WAY THE BUILDING ENVELOPE IS DESIGNED -- I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A NEW BUILD -- THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD BE STARTED, AND IF IT'S AN EXISTING BUILD, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SOME WAYS TO HELP OFFSET YOUR EMISSIONS AS WELL BUT I STILL THINK THAT THERE IS -- YOU KNOW IT COMES BACK TO THE WAY YOUR BUILDING WAS -- YOUR HOME WAS DESIGNED AS WELL. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF STILL ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. I THINK IT'S JUST A START AS WELL FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO START THINKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THAT PROGRAM FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN READING IS NOT PERFECT. THERE IS STILL A LOT OF UPFRONT FEES AND, YOU KNOW, ENERGY STUDIES THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE BEFORE YOU ARE GIVEN THE GRANT SO I STILL THINK THERE IS A LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT AS WELL. DAVID WHEELER: THANK YOU, TEMO. THAT WAS A GREAT RESPONSE. A BIT OF A NUDGE ON THE QUESTION OF GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP IN GETTING THESE PROGRAMS RIGHT. SADLY WE'RE NOW OUT OF TIME BUT I HOPE THAT ALL OF OUR PARTICIPANTS AND OUR PANELISTS AND OUR SUPPORT TEAMS GOT AS MUCH OUT OF THIS AS I HAVE. IT'S BEEN FASCINATING. SO I WANT TO THANK IN PARTICULAR OUR THREE PANELISTS FOR THEIR WISDOM AND INSIGHTS. WE'LL GIVE THEM A VIRTUAL ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR GREAT CONTRIBUTIONS. I WANT TO AGAIN THANK THE TEAM BEHIND ALL OF THIS. SO THAT'S ADRIENNE, AMY, SAMARA AND JOANNE AND, OF COURSE, OUR WONDERFUL SIGNING LANGUAGE EXPERTS SARAH AND ERIN. THANK YOU AGAIN. A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE TO EVERYONE WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN. THIS IS THE THIRD IN THE WEBINAR SERIES THAT I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING. THERE WILL BE MORE WEBINARS OFFERED BY CANADIAN COLLEGES FOR A RESILIENT RECOVERY IN THE FALL SO WE WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO STAY TUNED FOR THOSE. THEY WILL ALL BE LED BY ONE OF OUR WONDERFUL FAMILY PARTNERS IN C2R2 AND WE'LL BE COVERING EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY WOULD WANT TO KNOW ABOUT GREENING THE ECONOMY, RESILIENT RECOVERY AND THE ROLE THAT COLLEGES AND CEGEPS AND POLYTECHS AND INSTITUTES CAN PLAY IN THAT THROUGH DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS, THROUGH R&D, LOCAL BUSINESSES, INDUSTRIES AND, OF COURSE, THROUGH PRIME EMISSIONS WHICH IS TRAINING AND EDUCATION THROUGH FLEXIBLE, MICROCREDENTIAL AND HIGHLY ACCESSIBLE WAY. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW THINGS TO A CLOSE. THANK YOU EVERYONE WHO ATTENDED. THANK YOU TO OUR PANELISTS AGAIN AND TO EVERYONE WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN AND WE'RE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT FUTURE WEBINARS HOSTED BY C2R2. THANKS AGAIN. -- CONCLUDED AT 2:29 P.M.